Cry me a river. Your reviewer writes a negative review, she gets negative feedback and you feel the need to criticise the critics? Are you kidding? This is the height of hypocrisy. I read the review this morning. I strongly disagreed with it. But I fully respected your paper’s right to publish it since it was that reviewers’ opinion and the First Amendment protects the expression of opinion. However, I also respect the right of the fans of David Archuleta to write back and express their opinions on the review. They absolutely have the right to do using strong or extreme language. Last I checked, the First Amendment does not only protect polite comment. Thus your right to call the people who chose to comment “fuckers”. Nor do opinions have to be fair, measured or reasonable. I found Ms. Rivall’s review to be totally unreasonable. If you don’t want “nasty” comments, shut down the comments section. Please don’t whine or criticise the critics. It makes you and your paper look ridiculously thin-skinned.

Cry me a river. Your reviewer writes a negative review, she gets negative feedback and you feel the need to criticise the critics? Are you kidding? This is the height of hypocrisy. I read the review this morning. I strongly disagreed with it. But I fully respected your paper’s right to publish it since it was that reviewers’ opinion and the First Amendment protects the expression of opinion. However, I also respect the right of the fans of David Archuleta to write back and express their opinions on the review. They absolutely have the right to do using strong or extreme language. Last I checked, the First Amendment does not only protect polite comment. Thus your right to call the people who chose to comment “fuckers”. Nor do opinions have to be fair, measured or reasonable. I found Ms. Rivall’s review to be totally unreasonable. If you don’t want “nasty” comments, shut down the comments section. Please don’t whine or criticise the critics. It makes you and your paper look ridiculously thin-skinned.

ah did we make her cry?? who are you her big brother? of course this is from a university paper right?? Part of the business, learn to get a strong chin, its just the beginning

your message tells a lot of how your mother brought you up… your use of profanity perfectly describes how you were made up as a person… reeks foul smell from your potty mouth… and you call yourself an editor… you should be ashamed of your profession.

your message tells a lot of how your mother brought you up… your use of profanity perfectly describes how you were made up as a person… reeks foul smell from your potty mouth… and you call yourself an editor… you should be ashamed of your profession.

i agree with kingston ulin… it’s funny how Ms. Cailley Hammel writes her open letter… a total contradiction! And that’s what you learned in journalism. you should go back and study again…

As an aspiring editor you should be the one to try to make cooler heads prevail. Your reactionary diatribe just ads fuel to the fire. How many more years until you graduate? You need more schooling.

What?

Wow. F word… I know what David Archuleta does. He doesn’t read any blogs because of people like you with dirty mouth. He knows there are haters out there and is smart enough to not let negativities get into his head. He is the last person in the world who would cuss. Wow. I hope your mom knows you cuss. Shame on you.

If you have read liner notes from David, he wrote that this CD is a heartfelt gift to his fans. His fans love it. They love David. David has fans in Western and Eastern Europe, Asia, Japan, S. America, Canada. They all do incredible things to follow David’s inspiration to make a world a better place. They all fight against music piracy and spending thousands of hard earned money to gift CDs to fans in countries where the CD is not available or to people who cant afford to buy one (that shows that they are mostly self established individuals and not kids). They fly for 20 hours straight just to see David. If you ever been to David’s live show (which I am sure you never attended) you would see that listening to David gives almost a religious feeling. It is a feeling of being so loved by this incredible man, feeling of peace and hope. I saw some people pass out at the concert because they could not even handle that happiness. People cry. People make friendships that sure will last forever. All because of David. They support David’s charities such as SU2C and Rising Star Outreach and many others. You should be ashamed of yourself to trash David’s fans. They are the most amazing people in the world. And I am proud and honored to be one of them. Without David and his fans I would not be on this planet. I owe him and my new friends my life and will always no matter what will protect him and protect my friends. I am sure I am not alone in this opinion.

Ms. Hammel, are you jealous that Ms. Rivall is getting all the attention?

Ms. Hammel, are you jealous that Ms. Rivall is getting all the attention?

Ann certainly has the right to express her opinion and his fans, too. When I read the intriguing title,… horrible… I knew she has guts to face any negative comments from Archie fans. I want to know why she picked this new artist’s album to tear up instead of other new release albums. If she didn’t like it, she could have just passed it and picked her favorite album to promote it. What is the intention? Obviously, her intention is ill spirited. I know a student at Northwestern University in Evanston who is his fan. I asked him why he likes him. He said “It’s because he is DIFFERENT and his voice is UNIQUE plus he CAN SING”. Go Wildcat!!

ps. You are lucky. David doesn’t know anything about this.

Ms.Camel..oops Hammel..Shame on you using the Fword.

These comments make me question the forward progression of society.

Um, not everyone who left a measage was an “Archie”.

An immature review gets immature responses, what a shocker! To make matters worse it’s followed up with an immature blog. I thought your closing line was especially classy. David has over a quarter-million followers on Twitter alone, do you really want to go there? I personally do not approve of many of the comments left, and I apologize on behalf of those that have offended. In return I think your paper should also apologize for the many one-liners directed at both David and his fans. If you ever had the pleasure of meeting David in person I think you would be ashamed that you were part of a review that publicly belittled him.

Oh, and I love how you play off of something as tragic as 9 11 just for the sake of making a shallow point in hope that you might say something powerful or slick, in your mind, and be crowned a queen. Your a queen alright!

Oh, and I love how you play off of something as tragic as 9 11 just for the sake of making a shallow point in hope that you might say something powerful or slick, in your mind, and be crowned a queen. Your a queen alright!

Ms. Hammel, You almost had me. While reading your article, I started to feel guilty about the negative comments David’s fans were directing towards Ann, until I read the last sentence and the F-word. That F-word just disqualified any sympathy I had towards Ann and towards you. This article was immature, done out of spite, and meant to taunt David’s devoted fans. Congratulations have you just succeeded in proving the how lacking in credibility and character you and Ann are as editors and writers. Where is your “politeness” while writing this article talking about disagreeing with comments? I see a hypocrite. It is fine to disagree, but to do it a hateful manner is below the belt and uncalled for. It applies to both David fans and college editors and writers. Hopefully David will never read these two articles from The Badger Herald.

Ms. Hammel……

…or should I say ‘Ms. Potty-mouth’? Your use of the ‘f’ word simply indicates your immaturity. You are a discrace to this newspaper and to the University!

Wow

You kiss your anyone with that foul mouth? If so, I hope you give them full disclosure, so perhaps, they can get their shots.

You said more about yourself with the f word than a day full of pontification.

At first we just thought you and your liberal college staff were dirtbags, now that you have spoken, you’ve removed all doubt.

Bluto

You drop the “F” bomb and expect us to believe you are a professional journalist. I didn’t bother to comment on the ridiculous review nor do I think anyone should attack someone personally even if their review is laughable but under no circumstance should a writer’s supervisor refer to commentors as F’ers and expect to be taken seriously. This is clearly not a real news source. In the future, I’ll just know to disregard any links to your site.

Every freelance writer on the Internet knows all they have to do to get a few comments for their blog is to criticize David Archuleta and his self-appointed defenders will show up in droves.

The people who insulted your writer weren’t David’s true fans. If they consider themselves as such, they haven’t been paying attention to what David’s all about.

Oh boy.

Okay, peeps. Both sides have done wrong - got personal, snarled, snapped at each other and are now in corners licking their wounds. Time to un-cross those arms, put away the glare and make up! Come on! Listen to David’s CD and tell me you don’t want peace on earth - I’m sure even Badger Herald’s editors and writers will admit to that.

Peace!

Wow! Well, one thing David Archuleta does spark attention! I think from all of this two things stand out and that there was a few statements from Ann that were not based on knowledge of the album makings, which brought fans to David’s defense. And the second being that fans of artists have alot of passion which can become a bit over the top and personal in attacks against those who don’t agree. One thing that strikes this critique is that most reviews have some level of decency towards the artist and acknowledge the music artistry and professionalism of the artist. Ann’s post seems a bit off as far as making comments that display her lack of knowledge of the album’s makings. I think it fair to say that if a critique is going to be considered professional and in good taste journalistically speaking, then there should be some knowledge of what they are critiquing. Otherwise, back it up! The example of Ann’s statement that the orchestration sounded more like someone plunking down on a Yamaha is a good example. The award winning Kust Bestor worked with the City of Prague Symphony on most of the tracks. It seemed to me when she made this comment that she made no attempt to find out how the orchestration was made before she made the comment. This seems like a reasonable request. Some of the comments became personal attacks to Ann. The best thing would have been to give no attention to this critique. We have a problem in our country right now with bad journalism. And, I get the feeling that these commentors were displaying this frustration with the current media trend, which seems to be very one sided, and some people are sick of just sitting back and letting liberal media say whatever they feel without checking sources or facts. There needs to be decency in journalism, IMO. Critiques should be honest, yet in good taste to the artist’s professionalism. Comments should be non threatening to the poster. I hope, that the staff of this ledger understands that artist’s who earn respect as a singer, whether liked or not, do deserve respectful tasteful comments, whether they are positive or negative! I hope, also that fans of David’s learn to refrain from attacking posts like these personally. Even though they are passionate about his music, they have to restrain from taking it too personally, and cite opposing views in a decent way!

AS I read the beginning of this article, I tended to agree with you. I did not read the original review, but I agree that any critic has the right to like or dislike any music she/he listens to. Some fans, not all of us, are a bit extreme.

However, in your plea for understanding and respect for a journalistic opinion, you used the “F” word, completely negating your plea for respect. Remember, if you want respect, treat others that way. To be very cliche’, two wrongs don’t make a right. Very, very disappointed in ANY journalist resorting the sort of vulgarity used at the end of that response. Very unprofessional.

I have one advice for you..change you career path.

I have tried to read all the comments left for Ann Rivall’s review, although some I admittadly just skimmed, and I agree that some were unnecessarily vitriolic. But I think the main reason for this was that the review seemed less like a considered review of a musical product and more like a personal attack on David Archuleta and those who happen to be his fans. I also noticed there was a consideral number of comments from people who stated their objections to the tone of the review in a calm and intelligent manner. So your damning of the entirety of the comments with the same derision is not totally fair.

While some of the comments contained inflamatory and hateful language, I don’t recall much actual vulgarity. Thus, your responding vulgarity seems unnecessary, but apparently it was your print version of the middle finger to all David Archuleta’s fans. Although I’m pretty elderly from a college student’s point of view, I am aware that this a commonly used gesture among that age group. I’m also aware that having or expressing deep feelings of faith is not that common among college age students. Therefore, it’s not surprising that Ann would not have recognized that that is the place from which the music in Christmas From The Heart came for David Archuleta. There was nothing in his heart about making this album a critical success. His only desire was to express his love for what the Christmas season is really about and to share that with his fans.

Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Why not listen to the album for yourself, re-read Ann’s review, and see if you think she gave any sort of honest critique. http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/#/3

All these Idol fans are rabid retards. A critique is just that, a CRITIQUE. Go buy his shitty album if you want it, who cares. Get over yourselves. David Archuleta doesn’t need 5000 grandmothers pitbulling every negative review. You crazy bitches are the ones that should develop thicker skins.

You people are batshit. If you all put half this energy into your OWN lives and your OWN families, think what you could accomplish. But no, it’s more important to stalk blogs that make even the slightest mention of the ojbect of your obsession. I’m surprised there aren’t more marriage break ups, or bancruptcies among the Idol stalkers.

Get a life.

why don’t you and your reviewer just drop dead already…

Wait until one of your writers says something negative about Adam Lambert. It will ALL hit the fan then. The fans of these KARAOKE SHOW CONTESTANTS have so much invested in these people that it’s disturbing.

So for Cailley Hammel: You should be ashamed of yourselves Too, If you disagree with me, bring it on, fuckers. How dare are you damn it. see I can say it.

HAHAHAHAHA - this is childish in so many ways, I can’t even find words. Grow up everyone. David Archuleta is an amazing talent with faithful followers that go OTT from time to time. (The Dead-Heads and the Parrot-Heads of this world would understand and sympathize.) An artist is blessed to have fanatic fans to support them and keep them making music that they enjoy. Stop trying to make an asset into a liability. Accept that people bash when they or their opinions are bashed. Simple as that. Seriously.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, positive or negative. As for the “Or, if you still disagree with me, bring it on, fuckers” comment at the end of your article, it is both unprofessional and in very poor taste. Just pointing that out.

Ms. Hammel….

…..great headline on Archuleta review….”….new single…” What new single? Wow, you are really ‘on top of things.’

Ms. Hammel….

…..great headline on Archuleta review….”….new single…” What new single? Wow, you are really ‘on top of things.’

I like the comment “dah” just made: “change your career path”. I’m guessing that will be done for both of them without them choosing to change. People in journalism these days are just awful. All they do is look for ways to be negative and get the world riled up. The next thing they’ll be commenting on is the fact that David’s parents are divorcing. Poor kid!!! I just hope he doesn’t get wind of what’s going on here to add to his woes. Oh, by the way, the articles all say that Lupe (D’s mother will have to pay the father alimony. Journalist’s error (again) the father will be paying the mother. I never ends. I guess it used to be that all media had to make sure their sources were correct. I understand that has changed and they can now start any thing they can make up.

“bring it on, fuckers.” Escuse me????? FUCK YOU!!!!!!

The reason everyone is so upset from Ann’s review, is in the way she did it. It seemed like an attack on David, not a honest review. If she really did listen to the CD and didn’t like it, fine she has her opinion. It was the way she expressed her opinion that got everyone upset. She shouldn’t have been so cruel. This is my opinion.

Why is anyone even bothering with this? It’s just a student newspaper written by kids, and from the looks of it, edited by kids too. Just move on already.

Way to open up a can of worms…. This article needs to go away now. Please remove it and turn off all the comments.

Ha, ha, ha!!

You love attention, don’t you?

YOU DON’T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. GO BACK TO KINDERGARDEN!!!!

I would like to talke on behalf of your parents

“SO shame on YOU”

Palm to Heart

Ok now let me see. Are you suppose to be giving credence to Ann with a statement like this?

“So the bottom-line? Everyone, before you post, think of one small thing: What would David Archuleta do?

Or, if you still disagree with me, bring it on, fuckers.” _C. Hammel

Do you kiss you mommy with that potty mouth?

You seem to think we’re new. We have been listening to David since he sat foot on the AI stage and watched his progression into the prodigy that he has become. Ann, Cailley, this is an album devoted to the celebration of the birth of Jesus. For those of us who view the holiday as a time of rejoice we joice at the top of our lungs. How happy we are to celebrate the birth of Our Saviour. Why should we whisper our praise? You are obviously looking for a Dean Martin Bing Crosbyish type singer . No ma’am! That’s not David Archuleta. He has been described as the voice of a new generation, and he is. Your review is so venom filled it laughable. You proabaly thought you could undercut David and make it easier for someone you like to get a 5star review. Ann, David has God’s ear and His review. He is God’s Property and you do nothing but prove that.

I heard the sermon this week from Gen.37:2-28 “YOU’RE HELPING ME, BY HATING ME”.

Do you know that this album you crucified has sold out of all retailers. Gosh, it must be just hogwash. or brilliant. You gave an opinion dear not a review. ANd you Ms. Hammel, are no better than Ann with they way you try to quallify her by putting down the Angels. Have you looked at what you said. Neither of you show much professionalism. Why should the Angels? I will not apologize for any of them. You see we happen to love David and will fight to protect him against ppl who seek to damage him or his career.

What would David Do? Give me a break. Don’t you dare try and turn David back on us. David would appreciate that we stood up for him. That harsh words were used now and then, No he would not approve, but, he’d understand ppl get angry.

Palm to Heart

right!..I forgot that you guys are just kids(by attitude.Sorry for taking you guys seriously. My bad.. Now, you guys can go play house, dig some dirt or may be reading ABC…

The original review even started really bad. It started with the timing for the album. Yes, its October and the Xmas album is released now. How is it relevant to the review of the content of the album? The review that Ann crafted was meant to hurt David and to hurt and laugh at people who enjoy his music. David’s fans are different. They DO know David because he ALLOWS his fans to know real him. That is why it hurts a lot more when attacks are made towards him. David just learned French lyrics a night before the recording. Did you know that? That is an impressive talent. He sang Ave Maria in latin. You couldn’t even identify that language! On top of that he was recording it and re-recording it for 5 hours! Did you know that? I am not even going into how many award winning composers worked with him and they were reporting that they were blown away by David. So please never ever post anything about David if you dont know him, you never met him or never heard him. It will make you look like 1 y.o talking about the nuclear physics. Get some education, learn a thing or two, try to learn what it means to work hard and then you can comment.

If you think this was bad just wait til someone says something bad about Adam Lambert ;) His fans make Archie’s look like diplomats.

Very mature Nikki, you write a post like that and then tell other to get a life? You say that Davids fans are stalking blogs, um… what are you doing yourself? Using your own words in reverse perhaps you should get on with your own life and stop worrying about everything others are doing. With the tone of your post I’m guessing you belong to one of those lame Idol hate sites. If you want to talk about a waste of time that is the very definition. If they simply did not like Davids CD and gave a professional opinion that would have been perfectly fine. The problem with this review was the unnecessary personal attacks on both David and his fans. It is normal human nature to defend when attacked, if the paper didn’t want the heat they shouldn’t have started the fire.

P2H

Angels, Angels, Angels! I love you dearly. Thank you so much for having David’s back. Yes, some harsh words were said in here, but in the heat of battle anyone can lose themselves. Isn’t that right Cailley?

Please, World-wide Angels, pray for David and his family starting at midnight New York time TONIGHT. Pray as long as you want but this is a call to the entire David James Archuleta fan base all over the world.

Please pass this along now. Thank you Angels.

P2H

I was one of those who left a nice comment on the review because I think the reviewer was actually starting to like the album mid-review. I do think about what David would do before I write. But I find it ironic that you would suggest we be more like David because I can assure you that David would never write a review like that nor an open letter like yours. Consider this a learning experience. Now you both have all the skills you need to work at a sleaze rag like TMZ though I don’t think they would allow the profanity. Sorry so many fans got overly defensive, but it was a fairly rude review that insulted not only David but also all of his fans.

Bring it on Baby… Go a head make my day, Yippy kay yeee

WOW, talk about inexperience with internet-based journalism! You open up for comments, you get what you get. It’s called discourse and when you open the opportunity up to the masses, again, you get what you get.

We have people who sit on our local paper’s website and comment and badger each other about everything. I don’t see why you are so surprised that an apparent negative article brought out negativity. DUH!

The most egregious error is that you and your writer let it get to you.

Or perhaps you were smart and brought the masses BACK here to load up the page-views and click throughs on your ads?

Either way, stupidity abounds.

Oh, it’s already been broughten.

“OMG! You’re just a mean and jellus hater!!! Anyone who doesn’t like Archie is WRONG! My delicate eyes shouldn’t be exposed to your profanity! Saying the music is bad is libel!!! I’m gonna sue!!!!eleventy!!!”

Ms. Hammel:

What you are being subjected to is pretty standard for any journalist, blogger, DJ etc. who provides a negative reaction to the concert/cd/antics of [insert American Idol alumn here].

They will call for your firing or resignation. If you’re accountable to anyone else, they will call your boss and try to have you fired. If they have a means of contacting you via phone, e-mail, twitter etc. they will harrass and spam you until you apologize for offending them and agree that they are correct in their deification of their idol.

I’m sorry you’re subjected to this, but it provides entertainment for some of us. The crazy fan-bases get worse and worse every year, and they don’t seem to realize that their negative reactions are only hurting the artist they are trying to support.

They cry about blasphemy and profanity, while at the same time they spout death threats. Nice, huh?

Also - to put this in perspective: Most of the comments on this are not from immature tweens, but from grown women. People’s grandmothers and mothers. Women who put their own families on the back-burner so they can follow the object of their obsession around like a stalker. Women who, while they are outraged at 7 letters you type, are writing porn about an awkward kid… and they started doing so while he was underage.

“You should be ashamed of yourself”

Thank you for that. I am. I’m ashamed of David’s fans, I’m ashamed of this editor, I’m ashamed of the reviewer and most of all I’m ashamed to be a UW alum.

Fans: You have learned nothing from David. That IS shameful. Editor: Completely uncalled for and unprofessional. Everyone has a right to disagree with your reviewers opinion. Good luck getting that job in the real world. Reviewer: Sorry, you tried to be snarky and funny, but weren’t. I didn’t know critquing an album included mocking the artist and their fans. Or that it included saying whatever you want without checking facts or backing your statements up. UW: I see you haven’t changed much. Still marinating in sex and alcohol all these years later.

After reading the editor’s response, I felt the need to re-read the original review. I agree that a reviewer has the right to like or dislike any work, and although they did mention some highlights they enjoyed, I am a little tired of hearing reviewers more interested in being witty, clever, and insulting, as opposed to giving thoughtful and insightful reviews.

Most importantly, I am dismayed to read the Arts Editor using the word “fuckers”. Certainly as a university student, she must have a vocabulary more vast or has the University of Wisconsin lowered it’s educational standards?

Let’s hope that upon graduation, when applying for adult jobs you are astute enough to not say “fucker” in your interviews.

Groow Up! THis paper is an embarassment and a complete joke!

Have some integrity and respect…. YOU look like the fool for going so low and swearing like an ignorant child.

Dear Cailley,

Please don’t call yourself an editor, and please don’t call Ann a critic. That’s a great insult to your readers. You have a lot of growing up to do, and you know next to nothing about writing.

You have the right to say whatever you want, in an extremely unprofessional manner, but the comments should be “nice,” because Ann (may I call her a fucker now?) might get upset? Boo hoo.

Dear Cailley,

Please don’t call yourself an editor, and please don’t call Ann a critic. That’s a great insult to your readers. You have a lot of growing up to do, and you know next to nothing about writing.

You have the right to say whatever you want, in an extremely unprofessional manner, but the comments should be “nice,” because Ann (may I call her a fucker now?) might get upset? Boo hoo.

“This paper is an embarassment and a complete joke!” I agree! Ms. Hammel, you are a joke!!!!

Buahaha and Joke coming with Ms.Hammel, and Joke coming with her. lol

weeee, 64 comments and counting… wondering when the next article commenting/blogging/countering this article will be posted? looking forward to it, thanks. very entertaining for a Friday. (Too bad David has to be topic of these articles. Hopefully he having a good day and avoiding the internet today)

And this was one of the comments that you didn’t find “nice” and “polite”?

�This is the most unprofessional and biased review I have ever read.�

This is hilarious. Grow up, little girl. Sorry: little fucker.

Everyone should go f*ck themselves and get a real life. It’s a Friday, it’s Homecoming weekend, in one of the biggest college towns and you are sitting on this college newspaper talking about a kid from American Idol season 6. That review was right on anyways, he’ll hit puberty in a few months and you’ll forget about him.

Oh yeah, once again, go f*ck yourself anyone who is reading this.

So, who’s Homecoming Queen? Ann or Cailley? Squeeeeeeeeee!!!!

I hope people will be nice and polite to them, or their parents will get really, really upset.

wow Steve you are clueless. Sounds like your describing yourself? Afraid of people’s first amendment rights? Get a life.

“As the ArtsEtc. editor, seeing that many comments usually means controversy is brewing. So I wondered: Did someone make a racist remark in one of the stories on my page?..”

Oh, honey. Dont you know that the responsibility of the editor is to check the content? That statement that you made showed how “good” you are in your job. How you can let the article be printed without any quality control? That is your job! You needed to take a look at David’s album review article and see how it will affect your image, the image of the paper, the image of the UW. Check if it looks professional enough. That is YOUR JOB AS AN EDITOR. Now, you complain that we did not like the article. You have no right to complain. You were supposed to tone it down, make it look PROFESSIONAL. Here are some pointers for you. Free of charge. Hope you make use of them. Good luck!

On Wisconsin! Make Us Proud!

idiots

write something meaningful next time

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Does this apply to everyone? Or just those who are not editors?

Nice

Critics should also be open to criticism. Last time I checked, the internet is an open forum. If you were expecting a mute audience for that album critique, then don’t use the internet. I’ve seen worst comments than the ones you posted being directed to other reviewers. By calling out an entire fanbase because of some negative feedback, that’s saying you and your writer can’t take the heat… By your own argument, everyone is entitled to their opinion (or are you saying that only critics are entitled to be heard?).

ahh..nice..I am sure Ann had no idea that was she was hired by you to be “critical of the works of others”.. haha! oh, poor Ann. Now I understand. She was just doing her job. Her job is to trash other people’s blood, sweat and tears. Now it all makes sense. I thought she expressed her personal opinion,but I was wrong. Ann is just a puppet.

and Puppet For the Win ??

Are you serious?, if is true that the comments were rudes (i don’t think so or not more that the subjectiv review), your reply is soooo out, i just can’t believe what i read now,!!, You make a call to the fans because they don’t like your review or because you don’t like the review of your review?…i really don’t get sorry. But keep writing the practice make the writers . LOVE:)

You were actually doing quite well with a rebuttal until you used the F word.

I read the original comments. The vast majority just provided an alternate point of view. The fact that you chose to pick out a few who were not as polite as the vast majority to prove your point re: THE QUANTITY of feedback just solidifies that nothing will cause you to rethink the original review regarding its inaccuracy. Freedom of speech is one thing; credibility is another. I actually thought you were trying to go for the latter.

The nasty comments are a problem, but not the nasty review that was terribly written and utterly unprofessional?

How old are you, Cailley?

Wowww…you actually had me feelin bad there for a minute til you said the F word at the end! Such class and dignity! What a friggin hippocrit!! If you guys cant take the heat from us not-so sweet Archies, stay outta the kitchen!!

These comments (and the ones on the actual article) have been the source of my entertainment lately. What the fuck does American Idol do to people?!?! Seriously! Brainwash much?

What does American Idol do to people? It attracts people who say they hate American Idol but who read everything possible about it and then leave get-a-life comments.

This article really shouldn’t be dignified with a comment…that said…can’t resist this once. Your commentary is patronizing, slanted and examples you give are taken out of context to make your point. But then you completely blew all credibility with the last sentance. Ann’s (cough) “review” seemed personal, ill-informed, more nasty than constructive or objective and therefore, too unprofessional to be taken seriously. It barely made sense, as she talked out both sides of her mouth, was critical and nasty, but didn’t make a case for her opinions. And the “Archies” commentary I read (when it was up to about 33) were mostly respectful, straightforward, and many were witty (like I said, it was hard to take Annie too seriously)…you didn’t highlight those. Since the “Badger” is not likely to be on my radar again, I’m not all that concerned. But really, both your article and Ann’s speak volumes as to the poor (cough) “journalism” it offers. I couldn’t care if you like Christmas From The Heart or not, it won’t blow my Christmas, good cheer, or my enjoyment of & respect for David Archuleta and his music. Won’t stop him either. It was the ignorance written that sparked the responses.

Maybe the author of this article should take her own advice, and think “What would David Archuleta do?” because he certainly wouldn’t use the profanity used by this so-called editor.

I’m sure it’s safe to assume that this author hasn’t left the realm of her own little articles, enough to realize that the fans of any one celebrity will come to their defense when spoken poorly of in an article. Perhaps this author should also take a moment to actually listen to David’s album, and then make an unbiased review herself. Wait… I’m sure an unbiased article is impossible at this point, with the rose-tinted glasses through which she views us “f*ckers.”

What a pair of shrill, self absorbed, witches you two must be. As an “Editor” you surely lack any journalistic integrity, as evidenced by your open letter. It is quite apparent where your “critic”, Ann, gets her journalistic integrity and style. If this is the crap that is being taught at Univ. of Wisc., then you all get a failing grade. I have been a prominent UW donor for more than 2 decades, but that will cease immediately. You both are a disgrace to the University and to journalism. I pity what has happened to my alma mater. An apology is owed the school, and those who took the time to read your open letter. You are without class.

Really? Are you serious? You obviously don’t know the Arch Angels. lol I didn’t read the original review, but this article is just pointless. Of course David wouldn’t approve of those comments, but hey, we love him and will defend him no matter what! <3

This is how it works:

Archuleta has ho-ho-horrible 2nd album, new single 110 COMMENTS

(Really cute. Ann, you’re a ho-ho-horrible writer.)

An open letter to David Archuleta fans 87 COMMENTS

Penn Badgley makes the cut with �The Stepfather� 1 COMMENT

New �Slice� of Five for Fighting 1 COMMENT

Movie blends music, subtitles to create cinematic experience 0 COMMENTS

Christmas comes early this year for Dylan 1 COMMENT

�Freek�y Friday at Barrymore stage 0 COMMENTS

Too bad you don’t have the quality required to attract readers. You must resort to other means and other methods.

How dare you address the whole fan base in this sort of manner, as if the people that left those comments represent us fans as a whole. No! You saying “An open letter to David Archuleta fans” for the title and “After nasty comments, Cailley has a few things to say to Archuleta�s �fans�”, I have no respect for you. Not to mention then using a swear word at the end after mentioning “What would David do” and then turning around the the next sentence using a strong swear word. How unprofessional. I agree with the majority of these posts, I was embarrassed for the fan base and a little upset that once again, the few people saying things ending up drawing attention to all of us, until I read the title and the last sentence. You addressed the fans as if every single on of them left rude comments towards the article, and then questioned the fact that some were even fans! I read the article, and the whole thing was just out to bash David’s music. You give your opinion, so we have the right to give ours. And my opinion is this you are hypocritical and ignorant. I only thing that two of the comments you posted people saying were rude. And you didn’t even post 5 comments that were left, and were making it appear that there were more than you could count posted. Sorry, but grow up.

This is college drama, which is not unlike high-school drama.

What we have here is two drama queens who are playing at being journalists.

9-11? Please.

Hey, bad publicity is at least some publicity. Seems as if these cheap shots give the Badger it’s 15 minutes of infamy. This too shall pass.

Cailley Hammel you are an embarrassment to the University of Wisconsin and an embarrassment to journalism. I shudder to think of what is going in that mouth of yours, based on what is coming out. Your vulgarity is an illustration of what little class and ethics many in your generation possess.

The second installment of Trash Journalism was almost as bad as the first. This is the last time I click on a link that includes the Badgerherald. Too bad you resorted to this instead of drawing attention in a professional manner.

Wait. Heaven forbid you say anything bad about Adam Lambert. You think Archuleta fans are mean??? You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

Adam’s fans are of another universe.

I am a very huge David Archuleta fan and I have to say that I AGREE with this article. I didn’t agree with the original review; I think “Christmas from the Heart” is brilliant. But there are other things in life to spend your energy on than ranting about what is essentially one person’s opinion.

I was ashamed of my fellow fans when I read some of the excoriating comments which showed far less knowledge of Ms. Rivall than she showed of music. Not to mention knowledge of proper English, debating technique, spelling, and every other aspect of speech that can get a person’s opinion listened to.

I think David would have be appalled to read those comments and most of the ones here. Fortunately he has better things to do.

To the writer—in all things, a person has to take the bad with the good. David inspires great loyalty and I have met a ton of fabulous people through connecting with his music. I’m sorry that things got so out of line.

I wonder how many HR f*ckers are going to come across this article when you try to apply for your first journalism job in the real world.

You proved you are just as childish as the people you are complaining about with that last line.

Wait wait, let me guess, that started it, right?

TO:THE EDITOR,

It seems you still very young and you still have a lot of things to learn in life. Here is my suggestion why don’t you interview a real music journalist whose been in this business for a longtime and get some knowledge and wisdom from them and believe me, you will learn a lot and read a lot of good books and one thing just because you are an editor in University Paper you can write as you please be responsible and professional in your writings and start from there.

I will give you a good advice: When you review an Album don’t let your emotion rules you and think wisely and with wisdom - the magic word is THINK before you write and present your credential about your music background from the readers and then write a contructive review.

It’s seems you sound so naive - I am not trying to criticize you but thats how you come across to the readers.

Good Luck,

I will re-post my previous comment posted on Ms. Rivall’s page review:

jackryan4DA | October 15, 2009 9:12 PM | Reply

Thank you for this: �Particularly arresting are �Angels We Have Heard on High� and �Silent Night,� which delicately showcase his vast vocal range and soothing tone while also managing to stay true to the traditional essence of these songs.�But for the rest of your �review� I strongly suggest research my dear.

For me the inaccuracies of her review just on the factual issues is what makes the whole review and of your claim to being journalists laughable. And for you as EDITOR to not even acknowledge that and INSTEAD speak on her behalf this time around makes it even worse. (What - she not strong enough that you have to take the cudgels for her?)

If you guys can dish it, you should be able to lick it. It was your choice to put it out there, then deal with the consequences. You do not see David Archuleta or his Management coming here defending what he put out, which to me an outstanding Christmas CD offering relative to what we have in the market right now esp among his peers. So of course the people who liked this album will react — that is the whole purpose of the article, right? To elicit reaction?

So do not even go into an attempt of emotional blackmail that Archuleta will not like what some of the more “passionate” commenters here had posted.

You do not like the feedback? Then be professional enough to simply close the comment section.

LOL, at least you got what you were after — many hits in this one than any previous article.

Editors should be able to handle provocative comments maturely- not make up an entirely different article on bashing an artist’s fans.

What a waste of time.

Look Miss I know that everyone is intitled to thier opinions and its true that a true David Archuleta fan would have not said that and commented but seriously this was so unprofessional! I know what some of us “fans” did was wrong and bad but did you have to write something so innapropriate? You just gave us a bad rep most of us fans are not even like that. You made it seem like we are some kind of pychopathic wierdos. To you we may be like that but we are not. Some of us get carried away and Im sorry about that Or, “if you still disagree with me, bring it on, fuckers”

There goes a saying… if you can’t take the heat then don’t light the fire!!! Your writer’s review may be fair to her but not to others. She may post a critique that would hope to have others agree with her, but unfortunately many others don’t. She may think that the album isn’t as good as one thinks…. but hey… so many out there don’t think so. Again, many writers out there are known for their hypocrisy, so why take their word for it!!!

I agree that Ann had a right to state her opinion on the album. Everyone has the freedom of speech. What bothered so many was the way that she did it. It seemed more like an attack on him that on the new album. I understand that Christmas music is not everyones type of music. Not every person likes the same artist and that is ok. I appreciate a objective review, but this one was a bit harsh in the words that she used. She could have said she didn’t like it and explained why, instead of saying it was for the trash bin. Also, some of her statements were inaccurate, which lead fans to think she may not have even listened to the album and did her homework. I understand how she feels. I don’t like a lot of the Top 40 music on the radio, but I don’t write an article about it or there would be thousands bashing me!LOL! There are ways to express your opinion without going over the top. I didn’t agree with all of what Ann said, but I chose to not comment. I hope that you know that every artist has fans that say things that they shouldn’t when someone they like is attacked. Please do not think all David fans act like some have commented on here. We are all NOT like that. I don’t understand how Ann would not expect for some to comment after writing such a extremely bad review and leaving the comment section open. Cailley, just as you said, fans should comment politely, you should have left out the last sentence in your article. I do believe that most people would have not said the things they did if Ann had not come across so harsh herself. It is human nature to fire back after what some think as being mean, just as you did for Ann when you thought others were being mean to her. It goes both ways. Let’s just let this go. Thank you. Everyone please stop commenting now…

I’m not sure how I even got linked to this site??? I haven’t even read Ms. Rivall’s review but reading the final comment from an editor of a newspaper… WOW!!! No matter what the issue… that last comment using the “F” word was over the top and out of line!!!!

Not sure that type of expresion was taught in journalism school? You’re use of expression to make a point was in VERY poor taste! How could someone take your comments seriously when you resort to using that kind of expression??? Not sure???

….well, you have had your 15 minutes of ‘internet fame’…..and now when you go out into the real world, you will be well suited for that first job….when you can use all of your U of W learned journalistic skills…..as you say…..”Would you like fries with that?”

To: Editor

It’s seems you are getting hit so hard and now you are having a psychological inbalance. Take a vacation for one month and reflect what you learn from this experience and write about it.

Don’t try to write an open letter to the fans again and do some reverse psychology to them. The fans were just being honest and straight to the point and plus they are just very protective of David Archuleta.

By the way on your vacation don’t forget to listen to David Archuleta Christmas Album especially listen to: Have Yourself A Very Little Christmas - the duet is just beautiful and amazing and Ave Maria - have your tissue ready for its so touching and gives you chill and Melodies of Christmas - very joyful and fun. This will be a good therapy for you - for sure when you come back you will be totally refresh and different person. If you don’t have the CD Album get a copy its worth it and also good for Christmas Gift.

I hope you will have A Wonderful Christmas!

Ms Cailley

Actually many of the comments left on the review were calm and pointed out why they do not agree with the way the review was written — statements put forward without backing or elaboration, underlying tone was mockery instead of objective, etc. It is of course perfectly fine if the reviewer did not like a piece of work. There have been other negative reviews on David’s CD, and the fans did not respond like this. I actually think you should learn from the feedback, this is the point of a college newspaper — to practice and perfect your skills. But to be defensive and refuse to accept other’s opinions, quoting the childish ones only and ignoring the more reasonable ones (there are many that actually pinpointed problems they see, and are written matter-of factly without hatred) is not the way to go. As editor. you must maintain a level head and decide on the direction of the publication. No, the title of the review is not written by the writer, so don’t blame her. But you have that responsibility. You chose to go the dramatic, sensation-reeling route, then you shouldn’t be surprised with what you get in response. I sincerely hope you can pick out from the comments on what went wrong with this open letter and the review, and not just shut everything out by generalising that David Archuleta’s fans are nuts.

What?? isn’t that a little bit of a double standard??Your writer can dish out, but can’t take the heat? I’m not even a diehard fan, but I just had to comment. Look at NYT..those op-ed writers constantly get snide, snarky comments for their columns. You don’t see them writing ‘open letters’ to their readers. Hey, but I guess it’s all free speech, huh?

Ms. Hammel, I am not an Archie but a professional women (physician) and music lover who reads reviews before purchasing. I read Ms. Ravell’s review because it was provided by a Bing search. The review was frankly a bit incendiary in style. The subsequent comments she engendered surprised me to the degree that I downloaded the CD.

Briefly, the kids commenting here may not be tactful but have some points. The review has numerous errors in terms of simple facts. It also lacked balance and musical sophistication.

You might be serving your staff more effectively by suggesting a mentor rather than counter immaturity with more of the same. I would expect a more competent product from an excellent University like Wisconson.

Wow bite yourself.

Not everyone gets David; only people that have a true sensitivity for music. Coming from a family of music teachers in Puerto Rico I can only say that the person that wrote the article has a lot to learn about music. David is so special that we, his fans, like to protect him. Cailley, we understand him and feel something special when we listen to him. He is also a humble and religious kid; a role model just like Tim Tebow and other special young men. He is also more polite than you. As a mother of two sons, one in college, and one in high school, I get David. God bless you and I hope you and the writer learn a valuable lesson from this. Ana

Wow CAILLEY,

I am not an Archuletta fan and I agree that people who review an artist have the right to say what they want. Obviously, you are just scoring points with your boss by seeing how many comments you can get on here. Very good. However, I know you won’t show this post because it is anonymous and any mature person with intelligence would not allow for anonymous postings and foul language on their websites. Your motherly comment has no merit when you allow such things. Why? Because this site would be blocked by a caring parent due to the fact you allow foul comments (especially the last line of your open letter above). It would be utterly disgusting if you allowed this posting. However, if you have the guts and truely believe in what you posted as far as the 1st amendment is concerned, and people will see your underlying objective of scoring points with your boss. Commonly known as kissing ass!

Later Ass Kisser. Oh, and there are real jobs out there, they are just real hard to find!

well i think you writer.. Ann shouldn’t had bashed David’s Xmas album in the 1st place!if she doesn’t like it then just be it why is that she must pick an album which she hstes to review? that’s just pathetic! i don’t think what Ann said/ reviewed bout the album is actually true.None of her words were true.I mean obviously she doesn’t like David and all his fans know that he put in a lot of hardwork to make that Xmas album! oh don’t u or your writer even dare to bash his Xmas album coz that Xmas album is specially for his fans!! he know how thankful and how much he loves his fans and we,Archangels/Archies will always have his back. We wouldn’t let anyone hurt him. ah! u did say that we should be ashamed of ourselves? why should we? his fans are proud to call themselves Archies/Archangels. we are just protecting David and what hia fans commented before i must say they are actually right although some of the comments sound offending.What u said to his fans are really harsh!i hope that u would at least apologize to his fans.I believe David wouldn’t want this to be happening too. and one more thing.Your writer wrote such total unreasonable review thinking that people would agree with her but sadly..no one actually did! why?? that’s because her review isn’t actually what it should be. How could we agree on such review when we actually think that the album is truly amazing?? gosh! why hurt the feelings of an innocent child? what is it so bad about the album? or does your writer has no taste in music? how can she be the only one who thinks that the album sucks when others out there love it?? i say David Archuleta is smart for not goggling himself. he would be so hurt to read such reviews like from your writer. why is it wrong to protect David? True fans care for him and will look out for him.

I agree with you that the fans didn’t need to bash the writer for expressing her opinion. Guys, it’s her opinion; she didn’t like it. Big whoop. She’s one person. And I also agree that David wouldn’t be happy if he saw all of this. That’s not how he expects his fans to be. I couldn’t agree more. I, for one, do not agree with the writer’s opinion on the album. I loved it. But sir, I do not believe you have to portray us as these “horrible people” like you make us out to be in the come-back letter you “so generously” wrote back to us. The comments were not “disgusting”, quote on quote, that you “so nicely” called us in your little letter. You being an editor should realize that people have their opinions, and like us respecting Ann’s review of the album, you should respect their opinions to Ann’s opinion. And, whoa, fuckers? And you call us disgusting? Sir, that was just not appropriate. You should be ashamed for even thinking about putting that in. That’s a lesson that you need to learn. Maybe you should work on your polite skills as well. Take a chill pill, man.

well i think you writer.. Ann shouldn’t had bashed David’s Xmas album in the 1st place!if she doesn’t like it then just be it why is that she must pick an album which she hstes to review? that’s just pathetic! i don’t think what Ann said/ reviewed bout the album is actually true.None of her words were true.I mean obviously she doesn’t like David and all his fans know that he put in a lot of hardwork to make that Xmas album! oh don’t u or your writer even dare to bash his Xmas album coz that Xmas album is specially for his fans!! he know how thankful and how much he loves his fans and we,Archangels/Archies will always have his back. We wouldn’t let anyone hurt him. ah! u did say that we should be ashamed of ourselves? why should we? his fans are proud to call themselves Archies/Archangels. we are just protecting David and what hia fans commented before i must say they are actually right although some of the comments sound offending.What u said to his fans are really harsh!i hope that u would at least apologize to his fans.I believe David wouldn’t want this to be happening too. and one more thing.Your writer wrote such total unreasonable review thinking that people would agree with her but sadly..no one actually did! why?? that’s because her review isn’t actually what it should be. How could we agree on such review when we actually think that the album is truly amazing?? gosh! why hurt the feelings of an innocent child? what is it so bad about the album? or does your writer has no taste in music? how can she be the only one who thinks that the album sucks when others out there love it?? i say David Archuleta is smart for not goggling himself. he would be so hurt to read such reviews like from your writer. why is it wrong to protect David? True fans care for him and will look out for him.

Ann, Cailley,

It may be a good experience for you when you graduate, get a job and be a writer/editor. Picking up non offensive words is important in journalism because wrong choices of words invoke abrupt feelings quickly and call for immediate responses, mostly with negative feelings. Cailley said the title was not created by Ann. Whoever made that title, you should learn that you are dealing with people with emotions. If you only wanted to get attention and that’s your purpose of being a journalist, I should congratulate you because you succeeded.

Could you just be more sensitive and never look down on people? I agree that David will be disappointed if he finds out some of his fans said something they were not supposed to. His fans always try to be like him; respect others and treat them as you would like to be treated. But when their emotions are hurt, they go back to the drawing board and forget about the question Cailley mentioned, “What would David do?”

One thing I was disappointed was your foul language. I am sure The University of Wisconsin doesn’t train students in that department. As a Big Ten league fan, I think the Badgers student newspaper lost its decency this time. Hope you quickly move on and pass that F word stage in your life.

I agree that you don’t have to like David Archuleta’s music/album but saying not to comment is the most fucked up thing a reviewer can say. This Ann person needs to realize if u can’t handle comments like mine or others then fuckin quite and get a new job . This blog should get an award for Hypocrite of The Century for not being to dish out what they dished to the web or what not. Ann and The Badger ur blog fucking sucks like shit and I know the editiors will love my comment . And next time Ann use ur real name and not have another editior fighting ur battles u fuckin bitch .

Ok let me try this again Ann ur a coward if people want to bash u and ur review let them to do it and not have someone else fight ur battles for you . I’ve read bad reviews on David Archuleta’s music/albums but the person who wrote the articles can handle what is thrown back to them but you’re just a plain hypocrite for not being able to dished out the hate when its about you go figure . If u can’t handle the bad comments about yourself get a new job or shut the heck up cause this shows that ur so not ready to be a real jornalist if u can’t handle the heat.

If you can’t even spell journalist, you’re not qualified to comment on this story.

If Ann can’t even take comment, then why even be a critic in the first place.

This nails it!

Ms Cailley

Actually many of the comments left on the review were calm and pointed out why they do not agree with the way the review was written � statements put forward without backing or elaboration, underlying tone was mockery instead of objective, etc. It is of course perfectly fine if the reviewer did not like a piece of work. There have been other negative reviews on David�s CD, and the fans did not respond like this. I actually think you should learn from the feedback, this is the point of a college newspaper � to practice and perfect your skills. But to be defensive and refuse to accept other�s opinions, quoting the childish ones only and ignoring the more reasonable ones (there are many that actually pinpointed problems they see, and are written matter-of factly without hatred) is not the way to go. As editor. you must maintain a level head and decide on the direction of the publication. No, the title of the review is not written by the writer, so don�t blame her. But you have that responsibility. You chose to go the dramatic, sensation-reeling route, then you shouldn�t be surprised with what you get in response. I sincerely hope you can pick out from the comments on what went wrong with this open letter and the review, and not just shut everything out by generalising that David Archuleta�s fans are nuts.

So agree with lesssha’s comment: “The reason everyone is so upset from Ann�s review, is in the way she did it. It seemed like an ATTACK ON David, not a honest review” OK.. it is the cause of everything.

fine I spelled journalist wrong I’ll give that anoynmous comment but did u even read the rest of my comment yeah I thought so .

“The reason everyone is so upset from Ann�s review, is in the way she did it. It seemed like an ATTACK ON David, not a honest review.”

So agree with that. Ann’s review is not true.

These old woman (David’s entire fan base) need to get off the computer. Stop defending David Archuleta. He doesn’t know you exist.

If everyone could’ve just read the review, and kept it moving, there wouldn’t have been what there is now. If the fans didn’t leave comments revealing to people how obsessed they really are about David, then the writer of the article wouldn’t be writing an open later to the fan base.

Idiots.

Do the people here defending David even have a job? Oh, thats right, its defend, and support David 24/7…

Wow, time to see people for who they really are and move on! Is this where our Universities are headed? Sounds like the liberls are taking over the schools and they cant even give a great kid , ultra talented and humble a break! Davids fans are the most caring fans around and see the pure spirit of him. I think that if both ANN and Cailley would really listen to Davids CD they would indeed feel the love of GOD. Its time for Archuleta fans to move on and support him elsewhere! Hey Merry CHRISTmas! And yes we would defend David 24/7. He is worth it!!!

I came across this accidentally as I was searching for info on David’s cd. After reading through the blog, the posts, and the orginal review I have come to the following conclusion.

Journalism is dead. It is now acceptable to make up information, report misinformation, not check facts and write like grade schoolers. Both the original reviewer and the editor have validated this. I fear for the future of this profession. Pretty soon TMZ will be winning Peabody Awards. This also has reflected very poorly on the Univesity of Wisconsin.

I wish both ladies luck in the future and hope as they reach some level of maturity they will better understand the irony and hypocrisy of the posted response blog and the inadequateness and unprofessionism of the original review.

Charlie, yeah I do. I work with the mentally ill, and I go to school. I could tell you, the writer of the article is not creating an alias for herself.

DAVID STANS ARE DELUSIONAL, AND HONEST TO GOD, SOME NEED TO GO GET A LIFE AND STOP PROTRUDING AROUND THE COUNTRY TRYING TO CATCH EVERY DAVID CONCERT. Some David stans are obsessed, and really need rehab.

TO THE WRITERS

Delete the column and don’t let these delusional grandma and grandpas spew hate. Gee, I bet David would love to see the way you fools are acting and embarrassing the entire David fan base. Some of his fans would worship like God if they could, trust me. They dont only stalk David, but anyone he’s affiliated with. They’re hungry and thirsty for David information 24/7, and put their families on the back-burner, just for some pop idol. It’s like the addiction to gambling, but in this case David. You can tell by these comments. I cant defend someone unless they’re my family. David isnt putting food on my table, paying for my bills or supplying a roof over my head. Some fans are NOT living in reality.

Ms Hammel: “So the bottom-line? Everyone, before you post, think of one small thing: What would David Archuleta do?

Or, if you still disagree with me, bring it on, fuckers.”

Is the pot calling the kettle black?

You must be the change you wish to see in the world. Mohandas Gandhi

To Nikki | October 16, 2009 11:52 AM , on the other hand, I think you yourself should get a life. It�s funny that you even spent time reading this article, let alone posted a comment.. So get a life and you yourself is a batshit too! Have a taste of your own medicine.

Anyway to Miss Cailley Hammel, I would say, that�s what Miss Ann Rivall and you deserve, take the heat and deal with it . �Have a taste of your own medicines too fools!!!�. How low can you get Miss Hammel???? Using the F word in black and white? That is totally unacceptable. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!

Anonymous | October 17, 2009 1:07 AM says:

“David isnt putting food on my table, paying for my bills or supplying a roof over my head. Some fans are NOT living in reality.”

Darling, this is “the” reality. And why the heck are you even here, aren’t you also living in unreality. Aren’t you too delusional, oh please count yourself in. This is “the” reality. This is human nature, people just love entertainment and the person who entertains them. So keep moving on and accept “the” reality! Moron!

congratulation! finally, sth. happen to your pathetic loser life. Too bad, you are still a loser.

I am still trying to think what career will fit u. Obviously, you need a job that don’t have to use your mouth and brain. Tough future.

Get real…and stop using bad language. Only cowards hide behind words when they can’t back up how they feel. Who should be ashamed? She’s entitled to her opinion. We are entitled to ours.

What all of the negative commentators seem to forget is that the readers of works of journalism hold just as much responsibility for the piece as the writer themselves. The reader must accept or reject the story, review or column in an acceptable and civil way, contributing their opinion—supporting or dissenting—in a respectable manner.

That’s not what these “Archies” are doing. If journalism is dead, and I certainly believe it is not, the public holds just as much responsibility for its death, if not more so, than the journalists themselves. The rise of Fox News and the decline of major newspapers like the Chicago Tribune and New York Times are perfect examples of a trend of falling quality in journalism that needs to be changed. The employees of America’s student newspapers, including The Badger Herald and Daily Cardinal here at UW, understand the need for this need for a reversal in journalism’s declining trend that has been caused by infotainment and the falling interest in responsible journalism.

In other words, you are the reason journalism is ‘dying’.

Say what you will about the headline for Ann Rivall’s article (Published for the use of the UW community, not written with “Archies” in mind), she is still a responsible journalist. Her review was written well and seriously analyzed David Archuleta’s album. Since this is a college newspaper we’re talking about, humor and some controversial statements are needed as ethos to appeal to the audience.

There were no personal attacks against David Archuleta or the “Archies”, just comments that criticized the music on the album and the fanboy attitude of Archuleta’s followers.

And one more thing: do not say this reflects poorly upon the University of Wisconsin. This is a Christmas album we’re talking about, not plagiarism, exploitation or a serious factual error. UW has one of the premier schools of journalism in the country, and I’m proud to call myself a student here—regardless of if we have David Archuleta haters or not.

Now hopefully everyone shuts up.

To Anonymous | October 17, 2009 2:00 AM, he says “Now hopefully everyone shuts up.”

Tell it to yourself, huh! Who are you to order the people to shut up? Oh the last time I heard from my beloved friend, I should not let bullies shut me up.

“She (Ann Rivall) is still a responsible journalist. Her review was written well and seriously analyzed David Archuleta�s album. Since this is a college newspaper we�re talking about, humor and some controversial statements are needed as ethos to appeal to the audience.”

Wow, written well??? Aren’t you another case of having eyes but don’t see, of having ears but don’t hear and having a head but hollow. If Ann Rivall is a responsible journalist, no journalist will be irresponsible. If her review was written well (despite the mere fact that there are inaccuracies and mistatements), there will be no more badly written review. Funny!

“UW has one of the premier schools of journalism in the country”.

And you would expect me to believe that. Maybe, before these 2 ladies (Cailley Hammel and Ann Rivall)had murdered the integrity of proper and decent journalism. 1 bad apple is enough to spoil the lot, how much more if there are 2.

So To Anonymous | October 17, 2009 2:00 AM,tell yourself to shut up!

And one more thing, before you all assume that the previous comment was either Ann or Cailley, it wasn’t. I’m just a faithful reader of The Badger Herald.

Anonymous says,

“Say what you will about the headline for Ann Rivall�s article (Published for the use of the UW community, not written with �Archies� in mind), she is still a responsible journalist. Her review was written well and seriously analyzed David Archuleta�s album. Since this is a college newspaper we�re talking about, humor and some controversial statements are needed as ethos to appeal to the audience.”

That is YOUR OPINION and you are entitled to it.

Anonymous also says,

“Now hopefully everyone shuts up.”

Are we not ALSO entitled to OUR OPINIONS or is that a privilege reserved for the responsible journalist, editor, and proud student of the University of Wiscousin who, by the way, is so proud she/he forgot to give their name?

I agree in some points. I don’t think Archies should discrimminate and swear at Ann Rivall. Yes, I am an ‘Archie’ myself. But just so you notice, I think she should have respected David a bit more in that review. She was certainly rude in some parts and was practically mocking him. I think everybody is entirely entitled to their own specific view but pls do be polite while doing so. And pls do not drop swear words just after stating “What would David Archuleta do?” because saying the F word is something he would certainly NOT do. TQ. Peace.

This review was nothing more than to bring desperate attention to the editors/reviewers. They very well know David is an awesome singer and has many fans, so a negative review would naturally bring them a lot of comments. Just ignore the negative and focus on the positive.

Doushite kimi wo suki ni natte shimattan darou? Donna ni toki ga nagaretemo kimi wa zutto Koko ni iru to, omotteta no ni Demo kimi ga eranda no wa chigau michi Doushite kimi ni nani mo tsutaerarenakattan darou? Mainichi maiban tsunotteku omoi Afuredasu kotoba, wakatteta no ni (mou todokanai)

Hajimete deatta, sono hi kara Kimi wo shitteita ki ga shitan da Amari ni shizen ni tokende shimatta futari

Doko e iku no ni mo issho de Kimi ga iru koto ga touzen de Bokura wa futari de otona ni natte kita Demo kimi ga eranda no wa chigau michi

Doushite kimi wo suki ni natte shimattan darou? Donna ni toki ga nagaretemo kimi wa zutto Koko ni iru to, omotteta no ni (mou kanawanai)

Tokubetsu na imi wo motsu kyou wo Shiawase kao de tatsu kyou wo Kirei na sugata de kami sama ni chikatteru, kimi wo

Boku ja nai hito no tonari de Shukufuku sareteru sugata wo Boku wa dou yatte miokureba ii no darou?

Mou doushite kimi wo suki ni natte shimattan darou? Ano koro mo, bokura no koto, mou moderenai (kangaeta) modorenai (kangaeta)

Doushite kimi no te wo tsukami ubaenakattan darou? Donna ni toki ga nagaretemo kimi wa zutto Boku no yoko ni, iru hazu datta (sono mama nii)

Sore demo kimi ga boku no soba nara to itte mo Eien ni kimi ga shiawase de iru koto Tada negatteru Tatoe sore ga donna ni sabishikutemo (tsunakute mo)

I don’t understand how anyone could not like this album, but that is everyone’s right. Please do not say anything negative about David or his fans. The funny things is David would be the first person to say something nice or at the worst, “aw that’s too bad” about the person who wrote this article. You are correct in saying that if you pick on David you will get comments. I guess that is why there is a comment section? Right? I also don’t understand why someone would fuel the fire by using the “F” word and saying terrible things about us David Archuleta fans, except that you really like the comments and want people to read your paper. I would like to give this dare to the writer of the article. She should go to one of David’s live concerts and really listen to him sing and then write again how she feels about his music. I wonder if she will do that???

Blog journalism at its worst! I don’t know if you can still call it journalism. To the author, you should go back to school because you handled this one so poorly.

And common, you should be happy… you’re getting hits out of lambasting Archie and his fans

What if naega geudael Meonjeo mannasseoddamyeon Ani charari na Geudaereul mollasseoddamyeon…Ireon saenggakdo naegen Amu soyongi eobjyo Gipsukhage bakhin Geudaeraneun shigan soge Imi salgo isseuni… Shiganui moogemankeum Sarangeun deohaegago Apeumi mugeoweodo Geuraedo eonjengan nal Saranghal geotman gata Jogeum gidarimyeon Naege ol geotman gataseo Ireon gidaero naneun Geudael ddeonal su eobjyo Geureohke shigani Ssahyeo oneureul mandeun geol Jal algo issemyeonseo..

Attn: The University of Wisconsin

Don’t let one or two bad apple ruin the reputation of your University name - don’t wait before its to late.

Replace this mediocre bad writer and editor and its not worth taking the risk.

Thanks You.

To: Cailley Hammel

Yes, you are right you are entitled to your opinion same with the fans they are entitled to their opinion too.

The fans of David Archuleta is just protective of him. They are just very honest and bold and straight to the point and they have the right to express their opinion - for this CD is dedicated specially to his FANS.

I listen to David Archuleta Christmas CD Album and it is ONE OF THE BEST CHRISTMAS CD of my collection and never miss listening to it since I bought it. I love all the song and its REFRESHING especially, Have Yourself A Very Little Christmas - beautiful duet just amazing well done, Ave Maria - prepare your tissue it gives you chill and touching, Melodies of Christmas - its simple, joyful and fun.

If you really read the article well try reading it again since you are calling yourself THE EDITOR. Do you think this is done by a professional music journo and was it done constructively? Nah !

I hope you enjoy the cd and spread the HOLIDAY CHEER and its also good for a Christmas Gift, don�t forget.

Thank You.

LOL.. you writers just don’t get it do u huh?? Ann if u are reading this, i bet ya never liked David huh? or do u even listen to his songs?? it’s funny how could u been writing such an unreasonable review when the songs are not even “horrible” like what u described as. Do the songs even give u a nightmare listening to them?? i bet Marilyn Manson’s songs would scare the hell out of u.His songs are “FRIGHTENING”. Maybe u are more into songs like emo,screamo,rock type? well i’m not saying u need to like David or anything..but your review just isn’t appropriate and there’s not even a single positive comment on any of the tracks!! oh what??! all 13 songs sucks?? oh u gotta be kidding!! Journalism isn’t just about writing an article or a review. It is mostly on how u give a good impression to all your readers.i can’t believe how coward u are as a person for not standing up for yourself instead your friend Cailley needs to back u up?? It’s your mistake! be a responsible person and talk to all David’s fans out there.U created this mess and u need to make things right. If u are a responsible person i think u sure feel bad for what’s happening..or u don’t even care?? Or are u holding up a grudge against David’s fans? why are u putting all the blame on them?His fans care for him like how he does for his fans.. there’s nothing wrong with protecting or defending David.What would u feel if u ever know there’s someone humiliating u like what u are doing to David? or even backstabbing u? Ever had that experience? If u do then that’s what he feels if he knew about what u reviewed on his album. oh Cailley.. and u! why all the swearing..cussing?? tht’s not nice of u. bad bad girl.. u too don’t get the point huh?? i’ve never EVER seen a review on an album saying that all the songs sucks. i qoute your writer saying tht it’s “horrible”. do u even know what’s the meaning of horrible? how can u call his fans disgusting when yourself isn’t showing any sign of respect to them?? oh how sweet of u to use the F word.should i give u an award for using such “sweet” word? your writer Ann does have the right to write a review but a negative one?? nahhh.. i don’t think so. a big NO NO!!

original review- a bit factually incorrect, but nevertheless stated opinion, as the critic.

responses- most appropriate to merits of review, but some over the top and personal

editorial response- meant to be balanced, professional response and almost made it, until emotions prevailed at end.

Topic may be an interesting term paper in dynamics for a journalism major.

Quite harsh a review, considering so many people disagree with her. Just mean spirited. The music and vocals on this CD, which was requested by his fans, by the way, are amazing. What is this review really about? The music or the critic’s opinion of the man? How anyone could hate auch a good and moral person such as David I can’t imagine. He has done so much for his fans, charities, and is such a good role model for the youth of today. Hating someone for being a good person, just makes the hater seem like a terrible one. Turn up the music and listen again. David will make you feel the music in your soul. That is, if you have one.

F#^^*�#%Ann and to f$&#%^<>� editor,

you are the most low class and very unproffessional writer and editor i have ever seen and read.univ of wisconsin should be ashamed of your unprofessionalism.i pity you both! You both deserved this F_!!!!!!

“Now everyone, I shouldn�t have to be giving full-blown adults a lesson in what�s nice to say to other people, but this drove me off the edge.”

Hammel, you aren’t qualified to be giving this lesson and what a small time blog this must be if an Archuleta review has gotten your staffer panties into a world class wedgie.

I suggest you unlodge the wedgie and get on with more important life events.

BTW: Bill O’Reilly is calling.. I believe you may have a soulmate in journalism. Now there’s a real f-er.. lol

To the writers, Ann and Caillay.

u guys don’t even respect David. u don’t know how hard he worked on the christmas album!! sometimes i feel sorry for him like how hard he’s working though he tired. oh c’mon why giving him and his fans a hard time just because of the unreasonable review of the Xmas album? Do u even think it’s that bad?? answer me. I’ve heard some bad ones.. how can u even compare David’s to others?? FYI, David’s album sales is doing GREAT!! his Xmas album is selling fast everywhere!! not only in US but in Asia too!there’s even a special limited editon Xmas album for fans in Malaysia!and those limited edition albums are selling out fast! that proves how well his album is doing out there.but still..your review is so disappointing!that review is a joke! i can t even call it a review. ugh.. ah! a lil birdie told me that your review is so bad that no one agrees on that and despite the fact that u wrote such a bad review, ppl are still buying his album.what do u have to say about that? oh! are u also actually saying Charice pempengco is a bad singer? aww too bad!! tsk tsk.. shame on you guys.. can’t u guys just tone things down by apologizing?? for the sake of your uh so whatever u call your University of Wisconsin-Madison. if u find this offensive.. i’m so sorry but lol u guys leave me no choice!

To the writers, Ann and Caillay.

u guys don’t even respect David. u don’t know how hard he worked on the christmas album!! sometimes i feel sorry for him like how hard he’s working though he tired. oh c’mon why giving him and his fans a hard time just because of the unreasonable review of the Xmas album? Do u even think it’s that bad?? answer me. I’ve heard some bad ones.. how can u even compare David’s to others?? FYI, David’s album sales is doing GREAT!! his Xmas album is selling fast everywhere!! not only in US but in Asia too!there’s even a special limited editon Xmas album for fans in Malaysia!and those limited edition albums are selling out fast! that proves how well his album is doing out there.but still..your review is so disappointing!that review is a joke! i can t even call it a review. ugh.. ah! a lil birdie told me that your review is so bad that no one agrees on that and despite the fact that u wrote such a bad review, ppl are still buying his album.what do u have to say about that? oh! are u also actually saying Charice pempengco is a bad singer? aww too bad!! tsk tsk.. shame on you guys.. can’t u guys just tone things down by apologizing?? for the sake of your uh so whatever u call your University of Wisconsin-Madison. if u find this offensive.. i’m so sorry but lol u guys leave me no choice!

Caillay and Ann: whooooo oh look who’s talking.. opps! watch this then u talk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmA4D1UaTU

Caillay and Ann: whooooo oh look who’s talking.. opps! watch this then u talk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmA4D1UaTU

Caillay and Ann: whooooo oh look who’s talking.. opps! watch this then u talk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQmA4D1UaTU

Wow! First I really don’t care about this review! Who really cares. She just doesn’t get music or David at all, so who cares. Also, she has alot of hate in her that is very clear. I forgive her for her words. It’s funny that the paper has to write back though. Amazing! People just don’t get David fans, we love him! We will defend him, and yes, some of our choice of words were uncalled for, but we are all looking out for his best interest. So, let’s just forgive and forget about this one!

Erin4David

Be the change you want to see in others.

just please stop all this…….

Yep, you have the right to critique any way you choose. But if you’re gonna post it on the net and open yourself up for comments…then you need to grow a set and be ready for the comments. You can’t go all ballistic about how ho-ho-horrible the album is, open yourself up to comments and expect David fans to act all sweet and innocent. What would David do? Really? Are you kidding? David would never, never, NEVER blow anybody’s music out of the water to begin with. So, maybe you should ask yourself that before YOU start writing. David is tolerant and kind and would never write a review like that. He would, however, stand up for somebody that he felt had been wrongly judged. Yeah, they don’t call us fanatic for nothing, but you sooooo totally asked for it. Grow up will ya?

fuckers? seriously? and you say WE should be ashamed of ourselves?????? hypocrite much?

Wow AI crazy fans are at it yet again. Going blog to blog spamming anything that dares say anything negative about their beloved Idol. Get a grip. Not everyone is going to sing the praises of your favorite karaoke singer. You so called fans are an embarrassment. David could do a whole album farting rainbows and butterflies and you will call it GREAT! Im sure David cares less about reviews so why do you guys care so much? I love how they preach how mean and negative the reviewer was but yet they are the same ones who wish death and awful things on other Idol contestants they don’t believe as worthy to be on the karaoke show or if they outlast people who are “so much better” Look up John Stevens or Sanjaya the fans went out of their way to wish disgusting things would happen to them, yet preach about everyone else being mean to the choosen one.

These “Archie” fans don’t seem to get it. And i agree with the well-written post above. You Archies can state your opinion, but be fair. You’re basically force feeding David Archuleta music to those already THAT don’t like him or his music, or criticize him. They DONT WANT TO HEAR IT. They’ll just hate him even more.

The whole world will not like Archuleta like you fanatics do.

Half of you call yourselves Mormon? What a dang shame….

All I can say to sum up the review and the quality of many of the comments on here is….Welcome to the internet!

What newspaper pushes away comments? What world have you grown up in where you don’t realize that if you leave a place to comment, you leave a place for criticism, praise, and stupidity?

This is the internet. Let me introduce you to it.

It is often anonymous. It is often brutal. It is almost entirely negative towards the media, for sure.

If you can’t handle David Archuleta fans, I think maybe you should change your career path.

Well what do you expect, when you put the slop in the trough, and you get the mud just right, all the pigs come out.

Well what do you expect, when you put the slop in the trough, and you get the mud just right, all the pigs come out.

You people do realize that this mean spirited, and for some, vulgar debate is over a set of Christmas songs released by someone who may be one of the kindest persons on the face of the earth. Irony?

first

What newspaper pushes away comments? What world have you grown up in where you don�t realize that if you leave a place to comment, you leave a place for criticism, praise, and stupidity?

This is the internet. Let me introduce you to it.

It is often anonymous. It is often brutal. It is almost entirely negative towards the media, for sure.

If you can�t handle David Archuleta fans, I think maybe you should change your career path.

That goes for you too. It’s the internet, Not everything you read about David Archuleta is rainbows, and ice creams, and lollipops.

Telling people to change their career path, when first, you don’t even know them, second, at lease they have a career, what’s yours… Should David Archuleta change his career path because a few people don’t like what he produced, because if you’re stating that for the writer of the article, then that goes the same for David. You obviously know NOTHING about journalism.

Here’s a link of a Professional Voice Coach and Music Critic. Your music critic needs to do a little more studying on how to break down a album. She critiques many many artists. I always go to her site when a new cd has been release or sometimes you can submit a suggestion to a review certain artist cd. She is MASTERCLASS! I really recommend her! Very professional :)

http://masterclasslady.com/2009/10/17/a-masterclass-review-of-david-archuletas-christmas-from-the-heart/

Apparently you are right- it was the wrong thing to do in the way it was written!

I was willing to consider your point of view until you referred to your critics as “fuckers”. And you think the David Archuleta fans have a problem?

To:Ann Rivall and Cailley Hammel

Honey, change your major or change career - I don’t think this is the right path for both of you. You are just giving a True Journalism a bad name. I think the President of the University of Wisconsin will be replacing you soon for your unprofessionalism in your article and being the editor it just bad. I feel sorry for both of you, mediocrity and stupidity is not acceptable in TRUE JOURNALISM.

Good Luck !

The best thing to do is send letters of complaints to the Office of the President of the University of Wisconsin and to the Faculty Office, attach printouts of the review and the open letter by these 2 horrible ladies. Also attach a printout of the review of Masterclass Lady, a genuine professional music critique in order to make comparison. Ms. Rivall’s review apparently is not a review at all, it’s just her way of spewing of her venoms and an outlet of her inner self hate. The powers-that-be of the University will see how unprofessional these 2 ladies are, how foul their mouths are and should warrant some disciplinary actions, if not removal from the university paper organization or removal from the university at all.

So fans, let’s do that and let’s see. The last laugh would ours, hahaha!

Sorry I’m from overseas is University of Wisconsin considered a top notch university? If so, how come the standards of their student journalism is so low, specially the editor?

An open letter to Ms.Cailley Hammel and Ms.Ann Rivall.

Nun gwelobgeh nal ddala omyunsuh gabbeun soomeul mola shwi uh Nul welobgeh doogo dduhnagago itneun motdwen nal ggok jabeulyuh

Nan nuh eh uggehleul sehgeh jwigosuh keun solilo mal hessuh Oori ggeutnan guhlago Imi ibyulilan doki nuh moleugeh uhneu teumeh Gaseumeh puhjyutdago

Neh sarangi suhsuhhi jookuh ganeun byung Jogeum apeujiman natgo shippeun maeumeun ubneun gul Namgim ubsshi giuki jiwuh jyuhbulyuh Suhloga nami utdun shiganeulo dwidola gasuh Ijen shwigo shippuh

Oleh manna boolnolileul han gutchulum Da tago jehman nama (jehman nama) Chuh eum neuggim jocha heulit hehjil mankeum Da sseulmo ubgeh dwen guhya (dwen guhya)

Nan nuh eh doo soneul majoo jabgosuh sseun misolo malhessuh Boodi hengbok halago Nehga joogo gan sangchuleul ggok uhloo manjyuh gamssah jool Sarameul chajeulago

Neh sarangi suhsuhhi jookuh ganeun byung Jogeum apeujiman natgo shippeun maeumeun ubneun gul Namgim ubsshi giuki jiwuh jyuhbulyuh Suhloga nami utdun shiganeulo dwidola gasuh Ijen shwigo shippuh

Jigeumeun nuhmoo apado Unjenga nuhneun amado Ibmachoomeh choouk majuh shiluhjyuh ibsooleul dakgetji Neh poomeh an gyuh neuggyutdun ddaseuhan on gi jioolyuh Shikeun noonmoollo nul ssheetgetji

Neh sarangi suhsuhhi jookuh ganeun byung Jogeum apeujiman natgo shippeun maeumeun ubneun gul Namgim ubsshi giuki jiwuh jyuhbulyuh Suhloga nami utdun shiganeulo dwidola gasuh Ijen shwigo shippuh

Neh sarangi suhsuhhi jookuh ganeun byung Jogeum apeujiman natgo shippeun maeumeun ubneun gul Namgim ubsshi giuki jiwuh jyuhbulyuh Suhloga nami utdun shiganeulo dwidola gasuh Ijen shwigo shippuh

Regard, Kiefsie Yang bikin orang puyeng For the Win because susah nerjemahinnya, gua aja bingung setengah mati buat ngertiinnya apalagi loe! LOL

EXACTLY. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE ON THE ELEGANCE OF DAVID ARCHULETA’S CHRISTMAS FROM THE HEART ALBUM, YOU NEED NOT WRITE ABOUT IT WITH SUCH A CRUEL, DISRESPECTUL TONE OF SARCASM. THIS EDITOR SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF PRODUCING SUCH A DISGUSTING PIECE OF WORK.

Just let it go guys, at the end of the day this is still just a small student newspaper. Sure both the review and editors blog were written in poor taste, but by keeping this going it is making it even worse. 9 out of 10 people who listen to Davids album will enjoy it, you can’t worry about the 1 out of 10 that do not. I agree that all of this could have been avoided if the initial review had been written more respectfully, but it’s time for cooler heads to prevail by moving on.

Miss. Hommel, do you also think Ave Maria is Spanish?

Just so you guys know, David will never, ever have sex with any of you.

I know it is already out there but a simple apology will somewhat redeem your taterred reputation and the smear in your parent’s add to that your university as well.

Those who wants to write a petition, Here’s where to send your letter you can click the Contact Us of The BadgeHerald on there website but I think it is better to send the letter directly to The President of The University of Wisconsin-Madison but here’s what I found you can send the letter to Carolyn Biddy Martin, Chancellor or Martin Cadwallader, Vice-Chancellor Dean of Graduate School and cc: Jason Smathers - Editor in Chief of The BadgerHerald.

Here’s where to send your letter:

Carolyn Biddy Martin Chancellor News and remarks Reports and strategic plans Issues and initiatives 326 W. Gorham St. Madison, WI 53703-2017

Martin Cadwallader Vice Chancellor for Research and Dean of Graduate School Graduate School administration Research administration 326 W. Gorham St. Madison, WI 53703-2017

The Editorial Department: Jason Smathers, Editor in Chief [email protected] Ext. 101

326 W. Gorham St. Madison, WI 53703-2017 608-257-4712 608-258-3029

So the bottom-line? Everyone, before you post, think of one small thing: What would David Archuleta do?

BRB, shaking with laughter.

As a fan of David myself, I have to say to the rest: It is because of people like you that casual music listeners are turned off from good music.

Could some people be anymore batsh*t crazy???

IT IS AN OPINION. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE, GO BUY THE ALBUM AND MAKE YOUR OWN OPINION.

I do have to point out though, Miss Rivall made quite an embarrassing error with Ave Maria. It is Latin, not Spanish. Pat-A-Pan is French, and Riu Riu Chiu is Spanish.

And I can’t resist one final note: To the person who said and I quote “Anonymous | October 18, 2009 12:38 AM | Reply Just so you guys know, David will never, ever have sex with any of you.”

…. Yeah, neither will he with you. Not that any of us here even brought it up in the first place, but sure, whatever floats your boat. (Hey, DA security, you got this person’s IP? kthxbai.)

I bet this idiotic woman is lovin’ all the attention. Why don’t y’all just ignore her? She’s tone-deaf anyway. Nothing that you say will make any sense to her.

“BRING IT ON, FUCKERS”????

Child, don’t use words you don’t understand.

FUCKERS, FUCK, FUCKING, FUCKED! Do your eyes burn now? I mean come on people. You’re on the internet, profanity is all around you, DEAL with it. You sound like spoiled children who run to their mommies every time they hear a bad word. Learn to deal with the fact that some people have different taste than you might. Good grief.

ost of you people don’t even go to the school. Quit obsessing over a child you sick people. This is his last album because he CANNOT sing you stupid twits. At least Ann isn’t a twisted person who calls someone terrible things because they don’t agree. I hope your children grow to hate you terible people. Oh, wait, you already obsess over another child you probably forgot your own.

To the editor, thank you.

GET A LIFE. You’re not fans, you are fanatics who deserve, wait need, counseling. CHILD OBSESSED- one step away from doing something illegal.

LMAO!! who’s forcing the writers to like David?? i think they are the ones who just don’t get it!!! ugh!!! that is not even a review!! how can u even call that a review?? those supporting Ann and Cailley, do u guys even take a listen to that album b4 u speak?? U HATERS!! GET A LIFE!!

LMAO!! who’s forcing the writers to like David?? i think they are the ones who just don’t get it!!! ugh!!! that is not even a review!! how can u even call that a review?? those supporting Ann and Cailley, do u guys even take a listen to that album b4 u speak?? U HATERS!! GET A LIFE!!

David Archuletta’s fans are sad pathetic losers. And you’re probably all fat too.

KYUHYUN Ee soongani majimagirago geutorok saranghan geudaegaeh Neon dolliryeo haedo woolmyeo maedallyeodo geunyang shirhdamyeo heyeojimeul marhan naya

RYEOWOOK Nan hangsang kanghan cheokman hajiman pyeongsaeng neo hana jikil jashin eobseo ddeonan bigeophan namjaya

YESUNG Dashin na gateun saram saranghaji malgo Dashin geuriweohal saram mandeulji malgo KYUHYUN Neoman barabogo neo anim an dwaeseo Harudo mot beotil mankeum saranghaejooneun saram manna jebal

KYUHYUN Neon apa nal jabeuryeo hajiman, pyeongsaeng nae gyeoten haengbokhaejil jashin eobneun bigeophan yeojaya

YESUNG Dashin na gateun saram saranghaji malgo Dashin geuriweohal saram mandeulji malgo RYEOWOOK Neoman barabogo neo anim an dwaeseo Harudo mot beotil mankeum saranghaejooneun saram manna

YESUNG Eonjenga woori heyeojimeul hoohwehandaedo ibyeol bakkeneun nan haejoolge eobseo

KYUHYUN Jinan shiganeul semyeo apa woolji malgo RYEOWOOK Jinan babo gateun sarang geuriweo malgo YESUNG Neoman barabogo neo anim an dwaeseo harudo mot beotil mankeum saranghae jooneun saram manna jebal haengbokhagireul RYEOWOOK Doo beon dashineun majoochiji malja

I didn’t agree with the review either because I love the album, and I’m a big fan, but the other comments were way worse than any part of the review.

Look at this stuff from the review: “But, perhaps the biggest hiccup on the album is the background instrumentals. They detract from Archuleta�s voice and sound more like the elementary beats you�d tap out on your beginners� Yamaha piano keyboard.” —- if anyone is at fault here, it’s the producers, it has nothing to do with David’s singing talent, much less David the person.

“every ballad is carried by his clear, powerful and even sometimes over-performed voice” —- yeah I dunno… Personally I’m not offended when someone says he has a clear and powerful voice. And yes, sometimes it sounds a little over-performed, a little too belty, but again - producers are at fault there.

“which delicately showcase his vast vocal range and soothing tone” —- Sure, that’s code for “David has a shitty voice and should never be allowed to release a CD again”, right? Yeah, didn’t think so either.

” the final track, �Melodies of Christmas,� a new tune for the holiday season, proves the enduring truth that writing new Christmas songs is a task that many should never attempt in the music sphere. The song, co-written by Archuleta, is regrettably drenched in the cheese factor of contemporary holiday tunes.” —- Truth is, it is a cheesy song. But you know what? I like cheesy songs. Especially Christmas songs. I think it might be IMPOSSIBLE to write a non-cheesy Christmas song, especially in 2009, trying to compare with classics that have been around for decades. Not everybody has to like cheesy songs, if Ann doesn’t, then she should be able to say so without being attacked by everyone who disagrees.

“What would David Archuleta do” - right on the money. I tried, but I just don’t understand why all the fans who love his sweet, innocent personality can be such bitches.

I would like to subscribe to this newspaper.

Wow.

Reading through all the comments, it’s clear where the blame lies: On both sides. Granted, the original op ed piece didn’t need to contain such vitriol toward the CD, & neither did the open letter need to contain such foul language.

To those telling these UW students that “karma will bite you in the butt”, remember that karma goes both ways. In stooping to their level, karma will be sure to bite YOU in the butt.

Also, there is no cause to hurl insults toward either of these ladies, however much you want to defend David. Ann Rivall posted her opinion as she was asked to do (but was the description you used REALLY necessary?). As so many people have noted, “Ave Maria” is sung in Latin, “Riu Riu Chiu” in Spanish, & the first verse of “Pat-A-Pan” is French. The rest of the song is sung in English.

As site administrator of a major fan site, I have to say that I am absolutely shocked at the venom spewed at these women, & all in the name of David Archuleta. No matter how much anyone thinks the hate is deserved, these women still need to be treated with respect, just like everyone else deserves.

That’s all, folks.

http://masterclasslady.com/

Here is the review from a person who knows music and has extensive music background. You might learn a lot about composition of the album.

“I finally managed to find some �me� time to savor the golden voice of David Archuleta in his wonderful Christmas recording, �Christmas From The Heart�.

As expected, David�s vocal artistry, combined with his magical team of musicians and arrangers, offer the listener fresh, exciting arrangements to these popular Christmas songs and carols.

Here is a link to the credits for this album. It�s a long list, so is it any wonder that this album is a winner?

So, I invite you to sit back and enjoy David�s music as you read this Masterclass review.

And if you haven�t yet purchased his CD, you can do so now through Amazon.Com and ITunes.

1. Joy To The World

This begins with an ethereal orchestral introduction followed by David�s luscious vocal style. This is a very good arrangement that becomes increasingly better as the song progresses. The chord progressions in this song are very good indeed.

Personally, I felt that the song rose to enormous heights in the middle of this song, where one can hear the orchestra play the closing refrain of �Angels We Have Heard On High�. At this point, David not only highlighted the strength and beauty of his gorgeous upper range, but also emphasized what a creatively mature artist he is and will continue to be.

Additionally, the background vocals added a mystical quality to this song.

The ending is truly spectacular -the goosebumps are starting to form on my arm. David�s liberated vocal style, that soulful quality that we have come to know and love is revealed in splendor and glory as he vocalizes the final strains of this beautiful song. Excellent!

1. Angels We Have Heard On High

The producer(s) correctly programmed the inclusion of this song. As I mentioned above, the refrain of �Angels We Have Heard On High� was heard in �Joy To The World� and someone was intelligent enough realize that this would make a logical segue for the second track. Kudos!

I loved the instrumental opening � very baroque in style and hinting at an harmonic underlay from J.S. Bach�s, �Jesu Joy Of Man�s Desiring�. Just lovely and extremely creative.

David�s voice sounds wonderfully focused and pure in this song and his voice stays true to the �oh� vowel during the sustained �Gloria� segments.

It was exciting to hear the multiple key changes during this song, culminating in a grandiose and dignified finale to this number

Oh my � here is the �Jesu Joy Of Man�s Desiring�. Please believe me when I say I did not know David was going to go full throttle at �Jesu Joy Of Man�s Desiring� in the middle of this song when I stated earlier: ��hinting at an harmonic underlay from J.S. Bach�s, �Jesu Joy Of Man�s Desiring�.

I was typing as I was listening � similar to when I watch American Idol. I guess my ear has not aged along with the rest of my body. Ha!

This is an excellent arrangement of this beautiful sacred carol. David�s voice is gorgeous beyond belief and just soars with ease and transparency above the orchestral arrangement.

Ah, yes, now the lovely quiet ending of �Jesu Joy�once again, with David�s soulful vocal gift to complete this exquisite arrangement. Bravo!

1. O Come All Ye Faithful

I have always loved this song. The harmonic progressions in this song introduce endless possibilities for arrangers, so I am interested to hear what happens over the course of this number.

However, I must say that, although David�s voice sounds rich and resonant in his upper range, I wish he would support his lower range more efficiently.

Also, he has to monitor his decision-making process when he breathes. For instance, when he sings �O Come Ye, O Come Ye To Bethlehem�, he should breathe after the first �Ye� and then carry the rest of the phrase through in one breath. The phrase would sound less fragmented.

He encountered the same problem when he sang �O Come Let Us Adore (breath) Him, Christ the Lord�. That phrase should be sung in one breath.

I felt that the orchestral accompaniment was moving too quickly for him. David�s phrasing would have been more fluid if he had been given the opportunity to create more space in his musical line, thus giving him ample time to breathe in a relaxed manner.

However, David�s articulation is so crisp and so clear- you never have to strain to understand a word.

The key change in the middle of this song is dynamite and, at this point, David and the musicians go on their own magical adventure through Bethlehem. As David and his team of musicians work their melodic and harmonic wizardry, the overall effect is just phenomenal, . Beautiful beyond belief!

Additionally, the percussive elements were wisely interjected in this song, thus increasing power and authority in this arrangement.

1. Silent Night

This is, for many, the most treasured of Christmas carols. It speaks so simply and, yet, so beautifully to the truth, spirit and meaning of Christmas.

David�s voice sounds controlled and expressive at the beginning of this song and, as the song moves forward, David�s reverence for whom he is singing is absolutely heavenly. How can one not feel and appreciate David�s strong and very spiritual communicative skills?

The orchestra confidently grows in momentum and sound before the key change into the third verse � but not too much! Very tastefully, done!

And, as David ends this lovely carol, I am left with a sense of peace.

Thank you, David and team for keeping the song�s meaningful lyrics front and center. So often, I have heard this song butchered beyond recognition, so I am grateful to be listening to artists who respect and appreciate composer Franz Xavier Gruber�s original composition.

5.The First Noel

Oh my, how I love this song. When I have a moment, I will have to add a video of my choir performing an adapted John Rutter arrangement of this song. This is truly a singer�s song. The wonderful melodic lines of this song allows the singer�s voice to soar and the orchestral possibilities are endless.

But I digress. Time to press the �play� button� and hear David�s personal vision of this most sacred of carols. Here we go!

I hear bells, then David, then strings and some soft percussion. I love the baroque �feel� to this arrangement � very similar to one performed by my choir, the Timmins Youth Singers. This style perfectly compliments this carol � the melody has a music-box quality in the rhythmic component that I absolutely adore.

David�s voice sounds very good � always so expressive and so passionate.

And, once again, we are treated to a neat key change at the end of the second refrain, on the word of �Israel�. And, it allows David to access his baritone range with better strength and clarity than was heard earlier on in this recording.

And as David approaches the final segment of this song, he adds his liberated soulful style, improvising melody and lyrics. Although I was hoping for a more powerful ending, it is still a beautiful performance and sets the perfect tone for the next number on the CD.

1. O Holy Night

And now I get to hear the most powerful sacred carol ever written, �O Holy Night�. Originally composed in French by Adolphe Adam and officially known as �Cantique De Noel�, this is an extremely popular song. Every student I have ever taught wants to learn and/or sing this song at some point in time in their singing career.

I love the opening strains from the orchestra � totally innovative beginning and different from what I have heard in previous recordings by other artists.

As David begins, I just sit back and relish the beautiful and expressive quality of Mr. Archuleta. And can I tell you how happy I am that David doesn�t bellow and wail the �Fall on your knees� section of this song? So often the singers �throw caution to the wind� and �let �er rip� in this section.

However, David has great respect and reverence for the lyrics, thus allowing him to communicate the very special story contained in the lyrics with spiritual meaning and grace.

He grabs and sustains the pure vowels so very well in this song, as evidenced in the word �night�, where he sustains the word on the �ah� vowel, thus avoiding the �eye� diphthong. Perfect!

And as the trumpets and the percussion triumphantly herald the key change into the second verse, David�s voice becomes more passionate and intense. I love the melodic variation he introduces in the second verse. Very memorable and very innovative!

The �Christ Is The Lord� section is everything it should be and so much more. David�s voice sounds luscious indeed.

However, I would have preferred a more pronounced focus on the �eh� vowel in the word �Noel�. To my ear, the �eh� vowel sounded too wide and the mouth less circular and/or relaxed as I know it could be. One could hear the rasp and tightness in his throat during and after the last upper register �Noel�

And, the breath in the middle of the word �divine� is a �no-no�. David should have accessed a fuller compliment of his air supply and used it more efficiently. This is not a long phrase, but he sure sounded winded at the end of the song.

I sense that David�s voice was tired during the recording of this particular song. I wonder how many takes of this song he endured and/or how tired he was during the recording of this track?

However, overall, this was still a very beautiful performance. The quality and the maturity is clearly evident but singers need to remember that they are not machines. The vocal cords are part of their physical make-up and rest and pacing ensures consistency and excellence in their vocal product.

1. Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas with Charice Pempengo

I am quite anxious to hear this duet featuring Charice Pempengo along with David. If ever two artists were meant to sing together, it most certainly includes David and Charice.

Originally written for the movie and stage musical, �Meet Me In St. Louis�, David begins this nostalgic Christmas song, with his signature �oos�. And, then his expressive, luscious voice begins the opening strains of this song. And, before you know it, young Charice comes in, sounding absolutely perfect, matching David in mood and style.

Oh my, what a beautiful performance. And the harmonies are perfect; both singers are so �in tune� with one another figuratively and literally.

The orchestral arrangement is exquisite � lush, yet relaxed. These young voices just �blow my mind� with their extraordinary artistry and expressiveness.

What more can I say? This song should be played 24/7 on the radio during the Christmas season. Both are vocal and personal role models for this generation of young artists and their combined talent is cause for celebration beyond the Christmas season.

Bravo and Brava David and Charice! Here�s to future collaborations!

1. I�ll Be Home For Christmas

Once again, the inclusion of this song after �Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas� is perfect. The producers took great care in ensuring that this entire CD flowed from track to track, similar to a live performance.

Note to other artists: you can learn a great deal from listening to this CD. This CD was produced with enormous thought and attention to the finest detail, once again highlighting the work ethic and intelligence that embodies the Archuleta team.

This arrangement of �I�ll Be Home For Christmas� has a nice relaxed, jazzy feel. And, we are treated to David�s gorgeous lower register voice. He focuses this area of his vocal range exceptionally well in this song.

There is a lovely key change as the song moves toward the finale � a chance to enjoy David�s phenomenally potent upper register vocals. Accompanied by keyboard and percussion, this song was perfectly realized by singer and musicians, tastefully capturing the nostalgia that the lyrics evoke.

1. Pat-A-Pan

This is a very cute song � very similar in content to the slightly more popular song, �The Little Drummer Boy�. I conducted a very busy arrangement of this song with my choir and, although it was a lot of work, it was also a great deal of fun once the end product was realized.

David begins this song with the traditionally French version of this sweet carol. I must say that his French diction is exceptional. He has a wonderful ear for this language- and all languages-, something that I feel will become increasingly evident throughout the remainder of this CD.

He then continues in English and his youthful, exuberant voice is so perfect for this song. And, of course, there is an excellent percussive track in this song.

I love, love, LOVE the wild musical ride that David and the orchestra embark on midway through this song. The arrangement takes on a very cool classical sound and the result is truly spectacular. Listen to those synthesized strings - lots of fun!

Once again, this adventure modulates to a higher key and David�s upper register voice just explodes with such passion and verve. And then, in a blink of an eye, he vocalized down the octave with a hushed nuance in his voice. while layering his variant background vocals. And then, all too quickly, the song fades to black.

This is a VERY current arrangement of this song and I truly hope that it receives the exposure that it truly deserves. Just excellent!

1. What Child Is This

Now, a change of pace � at least, I think so. This is a more sedate carol, similar to �Silent Night�, and I am anxious to hear David�s version. So here we go � press play, Rosanne!

The instrumental opening is beautifully calm, perfectly capturing the mood. And, although this is a very tricky song for the singer in terms of planning one�s breathing, David manages the long lines of the phrases superbly well.

The accompaniment is relaxed and affords David space to breathe and interpret the phrases in a comfortable manner. Oops � �Son (breath) of Mary� � should be sung in one breath.

I love the almost a cappella sound of David�s voice midway through this song during �This, this is Christ The King�, followed by the grandiose entrance of the full orchestra. How wonderful is that? This is an another example of the wonderful nuances from singer and musicians throughout this CD.

The orchestra is then given an opportunity to shine while David adds his soulful �oos� and �ahs�. This is truly a magnificent moment in this number � I feel transported to another dimension.

Kudos to the arrangers for taking a very simple song and turning it into a masterpiece, while still preserving the original melodic content.

1. Riu Riu Chui

This song brings back memories � my choir performed this with a Latin American artist many moons ago.

I love the �Carol Of The Bells� melody that is incorporated into the beginning of this song. Makes me wonder if David will sing portions of �Carol Of The Bells� midway through this song. We shall see!

And, as David begins this Spanish carol, I sit back and enjoy the perfect articulation of his Spanish diction. This melody is slightly different from what I have previously heard. I love that David is once again given the opportunity to grab the beauty of his lower range.

And, then, in a blink of an eye, David moves to the phenomenal beauty of his upper range, accentuating his soulful and liberated vocal style in the process. What a great moment in this song!

And, as the song moves toward the closing bars, we hear �Carol Of the Bells� from the orchestra. The song gently fades away and we are left, once again, with the memory of an exceptionally performed Christmas rendering from David.

1. Ave Maria

The exceptional voices of the Salt Lake Children�s Choir provide the a cappella opening strains to this beloved prayer by Charles Gounod/J.S.Bach. Their voices sound angelic and true � nothing beats the sound of an exceptionally well-rehearsed children�s choir. Their addition perfectly establishes the reverent mood of this song.

And, as David begins to sing, I have to say I am thoroughly impressed with his Latin diction. He is one of the handful of singers who correctly pronounce �Gratia�. In the countless number of performances of this song I have heard over the years, the singers always pronounce this word with the Italian diction � �grazia� -and not the Latin. Drives me crazy! But, I digress!

This is a very difficult song, but David masters the technical pitfalls very well. The breathing spots in this song need to be firmly established or the phrasing can sound fragmented.

Oh no � he breathed in the middle of �ventris�! He should have taken a breath after �fructus�, thus enabling him to carry the rest of the phrase through in one breath.

However, the rest of the song moves along quite beautifully and he manages his breathing much more efficiently. Good for him! This is a very difficult song and, yet, he is performing this song exceptionally well.

At the end of the first verse, the Salt Lake Children�s Choir add their gorgeous harmonies, followed by David�s more soulful rendition of the second verse of this song. And this time around, the choir provides beautiful background to his solo voice and, as a result, the song truly flows to another dimension.

I love the melodic variation he incorporates into the original line � just enough to say �wow� but not too much to detract from the original beauty of the original composition.

I always love listening to David weave his vocal magic and artistry through well-known song material. He is an extremely innovative vocal artist and sings with a maturity far beyond his years.

This was a stellar performance! Can you come and sing at my Church? (smile)

1. Melodies Of Christmas

This is an original composition and, for the life of me, I cannot find the name of the composer. Could someone help me here?

Update From Tom Suzuki: Melodies of Christmas was conceived by Jeff Archuleta and David Archuleta.

I love the title and I love the concept. The lyrics and the melody are cohesive and contagious. I think we have a new Christmas hit on our hands, folks!

I do love and applaud the incorporation of fragments of familiar carols through this song. The song is resplendent with the joy and spirit of Christmas and leaves the listener with a great feeling at the end of this CD.

If you don�t love and appreciate the season and true meaning of Christmas after you listen to this CD, I�m sorry, I can�t help you! As once quoted by Jerry Seinfeld, �you need a team of specialists� to help you.”

LIGHTEN UP!!!! Anyone with a sense of humor would find Hammel’s article at least a tad bit funny! Geez…….I actually rooted for David Archuleta during Idol but am not one of the crazed followers. If someone doesn’t like him…..so the f*ck what??? Get over it and stop getting so bent out of shape! The kid is not the next coming of Elvis.

Hello Everyone,

Just to let you know that Cailley Hammel is not the Editor of this The BadgerHerald, don’t be Con by this Con-Artist.

Here’s the Editor in Chief if you want to write him

The Editorial Department:

Jason Smathers, Editor in Chief [email protected] Ext. 101 Address: 326 W. Gorham St. Madison, WI 53703-2017 608-257-4712 608-258-3029

Thank You,

Geesh, everybody, PLEASE STOP. I am a huge fan of David’s, and even left an original comment myself. But this has gone out of control. From what I can see, ALL parties have handled things poorly. Ann had every right to write a negative review. We live in the real world, and it happens. The mocking tone and pot shots, though, were completely unnecessary and what led to ppl being offended. I know I sure was. HOWEVER, that does not justify leaving hateful, rude comments in return. There are ways to state how you feel tactfully and calmly, while checking your emotions at the door. It doesn’t help David at all for his fans to go off half-cocked. Pls think before you act.

And to Cailley…I’m not even sure what to say, except you couldn’t have handled things worse. You started off actually making a few good points, but should’ve stopped before you became exactly like those whom you accused. And I’m still in shock at that last sentence. You do realize, right, that as a supervisor it’s your job to keep your composure and smooth things over? I’ve dealt with customers for 20 yrs, and I honestly worry for your safety. In the real world, had an irate person been standing in front of you, you most likely would’ve been decked. Pls don’t go into this line of work if you can’t handle upset ppl better than that.

Don’t Stop the Music ! Bring it on !!

I totally agree with this.

And if any of the “Archies” are reading this, just know that when you pull shit like this, it drives people away from David’s music. You guys make me embarrassed to even admit to people that I like his music. And no, you’re not a bad fan/person for not liking/wanting the Christmas album. Just fuck off and have fun with the hundreds of albums you’re hoarding so that your object can have some small degree of success.

Hi everyone! Let me first thank you for all the attention. A few things: 1. I’m gay. 2. I released a Christmas album in mid-October? What the hell? 3. I don’t write the liner notes. I don’t really do much at all. My papa just tells me what to do. 4. Seriously, you people creep me out.

Welcome to journalism 101 and the constitution, archie fans. grow up.

Wow. I was actually considering applying to The University of Wisconsin-Madison this year, but now I don’t think it is not even a consideration. There is nothing admirable about Ms.Hammel’s article and she is certainly not someone who I strive to become in my third year of college. Nonetheless, I wish her all the luck in the world. Literally :)

Also, if you ever choose to find a job at a real newspaper, you should definitely submit this!

landslide, please remember that the people who have commented here only represent a very small percentage of Davids fan-base. The vast majority are very cool down to earth people. I too am embarrassed by many of the comments left, but I’m not embarrassed by David himself since he has no control over these matters. It certainly didn’t help when it was reported literally 1 hr before this review surfaced that Davids parents were getting a divorce. Many fans hearts were already going out to David and this review essentially created the perfect storm. The review was in fact written in poor taste, but it doesn’t help matters when some fans showed equally poor taste in their comments. Hopefully everyone can learn from this and move on.

Why generalise that all the comments are extreme and bad. A lot were expressed in coherent and analytical manner. But those who disagree just focused on the bad ones and label everyone else as cause for embarrasment. Well I am proud of those who expressed their opinion in defence of David.

Our forefathers thought us that if you are being oppressed, go and fight back. We can’t just sit back and relax for what these 2 ladies had done and just absorbed the bad words they threw at us. We have to fight and fight more.

I never knew that David Archuleta had such insane fans. These comments make me frightened to go outside, honestly. I also love how everyone is so angry that the article used the word “fuckers” and then go on to insult the person back. Grow up people and stop being such prudes.

As an aspiring writer, I definitely can relate to the icky feeling you guys must have felt, reading the spew of negative comments for the article. It hurts. It lowers your self-esteem.It can even make you wonder why you entered the field in the first place. But before I go further into the emo details, I suggest you consider these few points.

Last summer, I wrote a review of David’s concert. It was one of the best shows I’ve ever been to and I gave it a positive review. After the review was published, I recieved a slew of positive comments, each more exaggerated then the following one, detailing how I was the “best writer ever” and “a genius”. It felt good to receive those positive comments but I knew my review wasn’t as “amazing” as they had made it out to be. When i read through the comments on your article, I sensed a similar sort of phenomena occuring but with opposite effects.

I think the thing to remember here is that the David Archuleta fan community is a very divided community. Those who praise David are lauded and treated like gods. Those who make a single criticism are shunned and hated forever. 1/2 of his fans probably have a slightly critical opinion on certain issues regarding his career but are too scared to say it, thinking they will be exiled from the community forever. I know this may sound stupid and positively highschoolish, but that’s just the way this community works. You did something that most of David’s fans could never do and I commend you for having the guts to write how you actually felt.

Also, consider this: at least people cared enough about this article to write comments about it. There are so many web articles that get lost in the mix and receive zero comments. At least, you were able to provoke people and inspire people to think.

Another final thing to remember is that David’s fans are seperate from David. This immaturity and rudeness is in no way a representation of how David carries himself nor how all David fans behave. As a David fan myself, I can attest that David’s fans are not all this crazy and some of us are actually (dare I say it?) “seminormal”.

Bottom line, I urge you not to get discouraged by these negative comments. Despite what most of the people above me might have said, you are a TALENTED WRITER and I know there is a place for you in the writing community, just maybe not writing for a david archuleta fansite. :)

You go Cailley! I couldn’t agree more! Ann is an amazing writer and so are you. Even though I love the CD, fans’ comments were uncalled for!

Holy crap, people are INSANE. It’s just a REVIEW…hate to break it to you, but not everyone loves David Archuleta. What are you guys, his freaking guardian angels? Leave Ann and Cailley alone!

Ok, first of all I am a HUGE David Archuleta fan. That being said I want to apologize for the behavior of some of my fellow “Archies.” I did read the review written by Ann Rivall just to get both sides of the argument here, and I do have to say your writer broke your own “rule 4” that says: “4) Reviews are not the law, it�s perfectly acceptable to disagree. However, the trick is in doing so politely.” I completely agree w/ you on that! But, the article wasn’t written in a politely critical manner, and therefore, explains the comments received. However, that does not make the comments any more acceptable. I read through some of them, but I don’t really have time to sit through and read them all nor do I care to, and what they were saying has well intentions behind it just not carried out in a proper way. For that, I apologize. I just want you to know these fans are not representative of his entire fanbase by any means. A lot of people will say Archies are the nicest and most respectful of any fanbase. People who work at the venues of his concerts, other celebrities, etc., and the majority of us are so, please don’t think we are all like this. I really want to thank you for including “Furthermore, I don�t think I�d be too far off in thinking that David Archuleta himself would not be pleased either. A real fan wouldn�t do such things.” These fans that do this are not representative of who David is AT ALL, and I really really hope you do not associate David with these kind of fans. Please don’t take it out on him or think less of him. David is loving and respectful to everyone he comes in contact with, and you are absolutely correct in stating he would not be pleased!! Again, thankyou very much for including that statement!!!! I hope you consider what I’ve said and have a great day :)

Welcome to the dark side of freedom of speech, Ann & Cailley. I’m glad you extended the invitation to “bring it on”. I’m always in favor of people like the “Archies” being given enough rope to hang themselves. It’s entertaining for the rest of us to see them expose themselves as the smug, condescending, deliberately obtuse, finger-waggling, own-family-neglecting stalkers of a poor undeserving kid like David Archuleta that they are. Sorry to the sane Archuleta fans, but I say: bring on the popcorn!

Critics should also be open to criticism.the internet is an open forum.If you were expecting a mute audience,then don�t use the internet. :)

Critics should also be open to criticism.the internet is an open forum.If you were expecting a mute audience,then don�t use the internet. :)

Critics should also be open to criticism.the internet is an open forum.If you were expecting a mute audience,then don�t use the internet. :)

Are you all kidding me? She has every right to be upset at you all! She’s not crying, she’s astonished at YOUR immaturity. One thing I CAN NOT STAND about a fan base is their level of arrogance, all they do once they find who they want to be obsessed with they will do WHATEVER they can to defend them! It drives me crazy when I look up a video of Taylor Hicks just to get a gist of what he sounded like, and in the comments I get an onslaught of Daughtry or McPhee fans screaming- “HICKS WINNING WAS BULLSHIT!” or in Kris Allen/David Cook’s case- “Adam/Archie should have one!”

I’m also certain that most of you Archie fans are LDS, I myself am. However, just because of how Ann Rival and Cailey Hammill word their phrases does not make them poorly raised. I swear up a storm myself some time, and I KNOW I am not poorly raised. I could never ask for better parents! They just come from different cultures than other people, ACCEPT THAT.

Ann Rival had every right to dislike Archuleta’s Album, i haven’t heard it, so I can’t give an opinion. She gave it a bad review, BOO HOO! I couldn’t care less, I’m too busy listening to real musicians like Queen, Journey and Led Zepellin. But then again, you’re Archie fans. You probably classify them as trashy people, and not the innocent boy that Archuleta is.

Get over yourselves.

wtf???? this is sick

http://www.votefortheworst.com/20091018/annrivallandcailleyhammelguestvftwradio102109

Bobby Joe… CAN IT! If Ann Rival gives it, then Archuleta fans have every right to give it back, even if they stoop to her level. Your “perfect little comment” is no better than anyone elses as you bash and insult in the same manner as other comments. And well said KELLY.

Yo, Archies, I’m gonna let you finish, but you are some of the strangest fans of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

Internet world is truly interesting. mmm…

You made my day!

KANYE WEST, you effin made my day. I agree with Kelly, Stephanie and BOBBY joe.

And cut the fucking crap, you ARCH ANGELS ! You’re not pissed about the way they worded their opionion, and how you felt it was attacking, you’re pissed that they basically hate the album.

Atlease they even decided to give exposure, good or bad to David Archuleta.

The fanbase fucking irritates me. Half of them need to get laid, and stop drooling over an 18 year old, and sugarcoating every fucking thing the kid doees.

Both sides are in the wrong here, and both sides are angry for the same reason. Both sides felt attacked. When we feel attacked, we get defensive and say ridiculous things. However, YOU are supposed to be the professionals. You know the saying “if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.” You knew the comments that would be made by what was wrote. From what I’ve read, the problem David’s fans had was never in the negative “review” of David’s cd, but it was in the way the “review” (if you can call it that, and I use that term very lightly) was presented. It wasn’t about the cd, but an attack on Archuleta personally. Of course, his fans are going to get defensive about that so don’t retaliate by writing an even more immature “come back” article or whatever you would call this. You said it yourself “As a reviewer, it is Ann�s job to be critical of the works of others.” I think the key word in your job description for Ann is WORKS. It is her job to criticize the artist’s work NOT the artist. BIG BIG BIG difference. Also, you do the same thing you are criticizing them for. You say your writers are entitled to their opinion. That is very true. But, in all fairness, so are readers. You can’t get mad (or in your case blatently mock) at them for stating their opinions just like your writer did. You tell them to do it polietly yet your writer was not polite to Archuleta or his fans in any way. And you yourself even went as far as to call anyone who disagrees with you f**. ????????? What happened to everyone’s entitled to their opinion? I feel like your writer was quick to criticize David but couldn’t handle when her work as a journalist got criticized…..if you can’t handle that, you shouldn’t be in the business.

What a sad commentary on life. Cyber-bullying College Students? Good grief. You people or sick!

Does anyone find it just a little strange that Ann and Cailley were calling for this to stop, yet they themselves are keeping it going by accepting an invitation by VFTW to be on their radio program. For those not familiar with these guys its a small bottom-feeder website/radio program that does nothing but mock people. Since David is always one of their targets they naturally love both the review and blog. I find it to be more than a bit telling that both Ann and Cailley agreed to be guests. If that’s the path they are choosing to go down then more power to them.

To: Mr. Nicholas David Bowman

It’s just hillarious you open another column from The BadgerHerald titled: Leave Archuleta Fans Alone

Nicholas David Bowman Assistant professor, media studies Young Harris College

It cracks me up - It just so hillarious !

Didn’t even Leave A Comment Open.

If you are a true professor what would you do if you were to write a review and you are not a legit professional music journo and no music credential?

I think the readers would like to know ? and Why would you not open the Leave a comment ? What are you scared about ? This could be a good case study for your student.

For now a days there are so many Con-Artist pretending to be True Music Journo that is just pathetic. Please don’t give The University of Wisconsin-Madison a bad name.

Just remove the column - Mediocrity and Stupidity is not an excuse and please don’t give a True Music Journo a bad name.

I don’t want credibility of the other True Music Journalist be tarnished with your unprofessionalism whether you are reviewing David Archuleta or other Music Artist.

Thank You,

Concern Alumini Student of UW-Madison

As a fan of David Archuleta, I would be embarrassed at some the comments here supposedly made by other fans of David Archuleta, if I was foolish enough to believe they were truly comments by David’s fans. I’m talking about some of the most outrageous and nasty comments. I truly do not know any of David’s fans who would behave in this type of manner. I am aware though that there are people who prowl the internet looking for places where they can start trouble doing just that type of thing. The more outrageous the better. When you can comment anonymously, it’s very easy to say things you would never say if someone knew who you are. I truly believe there are a small handful of people who are commenting as David’s fans and then turning around and commenting about how insane David Archuleta fans are, and they are doing this over and over to make it appear that there are a lot of crazy fans commenting. I would ask other fans of David Archuleta not to be drawn into this by trying to comment back, even if you want to do so in a calm, respectful and reasonable manner. It really doesn’t matter how calm and reasonable you are to the trouble makers. They will twist it any way they want to. There is no way for David Archuleta fans to win in this situation. It is much better left to the trouble makers with David’s true fans staying out of it from here on out.

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I don’t really care about Ann Rivall’s review, good or bad, that’s her opinion. But your “bring it on, fuckers.” WOW! You can say whatever you want, it’s your newpaper, but don’t forget you are also using the name of The University of Wisconsin-Madison here.

Palm to Heart

ANGELS, CEASE and DESIST:

No more comments for the badger.

Masterclass Lady has given us instructive reviews of each of the tracks on “CHRISTMAS FROM THE HEART”, not only that David’s peer/rivals at Disney have agreed with her assessment. We don’t need to give this circular one more second of our time.

I respectfully request that none of David’s Fan Support post one more character in The Badger.

Thank you Angels. now let’s all enjoy “CHRISTMAS FROM THE HEART”. Let’s join David in singing praise to the birth of Our Savior.

Palm to Heart

YO Ann and Cailley, imma gonna let u finish but u guys don’t deserve a place here blogging and writing reviews because Materclass Lady,Disney Dreaming have more potential than what u guys have! U TAKE THAT!

i’m not saying Archies are in the right but most of the time they are! it’s just that Ann and Cailley have been very very bad.. what’s with the review? i mean why writing a review on David’s Xmas album? u guys have nothing better to do or what. Just like what one of your professor said, Ann u are at fault for picking David’s Xmas album to write a review and what more the review is not even a good one! Even Master Class Lady’s review is wayyyyyyy far more better than Ann’s one. The reason why David’s fans srtike back is because of such negative review of the album which isn’t bad at all! i don’t see any David haters out there acting so retarded like what Ann and Cailley have been acting all along since the review was posted by Ann. And another reason why David’s fans are not satisfied and obviously not happy about is because Cailley has not been polite though i know how irritated she is reading those comments but as a journalist, think back Cailley.. is that the proper way for u to talk and open up to your readers despite the fact that u hate David’s fans? Cailley ask yourself what’s your mistake! ask yourself!! U USE THE F WORD!! both u and Ann leave his fans no choice but to strike back and stand up for themselves as well as for David. it’s true that David wouldn’t even know bout the bad review that Ann has done but do u that that’s even professional?? i don’t think so.Masterclass Lady is a professional one. It’s not because she write a good review but it’s because she writes a GOOD one! A review which readers/fans are mostly satisfied with! Not reviews that bores people or offend others. If u ever get what i mean. oh!maybe u don’t.. coz u never want to admit your mistake and improve.. opps! If u want to prove me wrong, i hope u can apologize for what u did. Cailley too! i don’t think people would like to read your blogs or review after what u did. well.. maybe only those faithful to u..whoops! i hope i made myself clear bout why David’s fans is doing all these.. u guys put yourself in trouble and made this mess. U guys need to clear things up! make things right! Just leave David and his fans alone.U are making things worse if u are never to say sorry. Put aside your pride.yes. some fans did leave some harsh comments but let me say it.. those comments are NOT disgusting. duh! how can comments be disgusting? is that even English? duh.. LMAO. Just like what i said, they leave those comments after reading the BAD BAD review. Are u making this review as a history in your University? ya know why? That bad review is the FIRST negative review i’ve read.Don’t u find it funny and isn’t it obvious that the review clearly shows that Ann doesn’t like David? and the review isn’t actually written upon hearing the album but sabotaging David? I mean if Ann doesn’t like the album, there must be at least few songs that she finds soulful or nice?? This is why her review caused David’s fans to leave her such harsh comments. It’s not polite.. but in the very first place such review shouldn’t even be post if she knows that people are not going to like it. Both party are in the wrong and David’s fans are aware of that. but do Ann and Cailley even realize their mistake? Ann and Cailley. why don’t u answer the fans. The fanbase is one of the most amazing fanbase i’ve known ever since i became a fan of David.His fans are polite. in this case u leave them no choice. so DO NOT blame them. U never know what i mean because u are not a part of this fanbase which u find it disgusting. PLS NEVER SAY THAT ABOUT THE FANBASE. Archies/Archangels if u are reading this.. just ignore the writers.. they are not worth to tolerate with if they never want to listen to what others have to say instead of just thinking bad about others then i advice all of u to just enjoy Christmas From The Heart because we all know that David Archuleta is an AMAZING singer. :)

p.s LOL i use Kanye West because i read the Kanye West wannabe ‘s comment and was disguste and i wanna annoy him/her. i’m pretty sure that’s either Ann or Cailley or some other students who support them. eeeek!. so.. YO Kanye Wannabe!! whoever u are… Taylor Swift deserves the award more tha Beyonce does!! :D U EAT THAT! LOL!!

YO Ann and Cailley, imma gonna let u finish but u guys don’t deserve a place here blogging and writing reviews because Materclass Lady,Disney Dreaming have more potential than what u guys have! U TAKE THAT!

i’m not saying Archies are in the right but most of the time they are! it’s just that Ann and Cailley have been very very bad.. what’s with the review? i mean why writing a review on David’s Xmas album? u guys have nothing better to do or what. Just like what one of your professor said, Ann u are at fault for picking David’s Xmas album to write a review and what more the review is not even a good one! Even Master Class Lady’s review is wayyyyyyy far more better than Ann’s one. The reason why David’s fans srtike back is because of such negative review of the album which isn’t bad at all! i don’t see any David haters out there acting so retarded like what Ann and Cailley have been acting all along since the review was posted by Ann. And another reason why David’s fans are not satisfied and obviously not happy about is because Cailley has not been polite though i know how irritated she is reading those comments but as a journalist, think back Cailley.. is that the proper way for u to talk and open up to your readers despite the fact that u hate David’s fans? Cailley ask yourself what’s your mistake! ask yourself!! U USE THE F WORD!! both u and Ann leave his fans no choice but to strike back and stand up for themselves as well as for David. it’s true that David wouldn’t even know bout the bad review that Ann has done but do u that that’s even professional?? i don’t think so.Masterclass Lady is a professional one. It’s not because she write a good review but it’s because she writes a GOOD one! A review which readers/fans are mostly satisfied with! Not reviews that bores people or offend others. If u ever get what i mean. oh!maybe u don’t.. coz u never want to admit your mistake and improve.. opps! If u want to prove me wrong, i hope u can apologize for what u did. Cailley too! i don’t think people would like to read your blogs or review after what u did. well.. maybe only those faithful to u..whoops! i hope i made myself clear bout why David’s fans is doing all these.. u guys put yourself in trouble and made this mess. U guys need to clear things up! make things right! Just leave David and his fans alone.U are making things worse if u are never to say sorry. Put aside your pride.yes. some fans did leave some harsh comments but let me say it.. those comments are NOT disgusting. duh! how can comments be disgusting? is that even English? duh.. LMAO. Just like what i said, they leave those comments after reading the BAD BAD review. Are u making this review as a history in your University? ya know why? That bad review is the FIRST negative review i’ve read.Don’t u find it funny and isn’t it obvious that the review clearly shows that Ann doesn’t like David? and the review isn’t actually written upon hearing the album but sabotaging David? I mean if Ann doesn’t like the album, there must be at least few songs that she finds soulful or nice?? This is why her review caused David’s fans to leave her such harsh comments. It’s not polite.. but in the very first place such review shouldn’t even be post if she knows that people are not going to like it. Both party are in the wrong and David’s fans are aware of that. but do Ann and Cailley even realize their mistake? Ann and Cailley. why don’t u answer the fans. The fanbase is one of the most amazing fanbase i’ve known ever since i became a fan of David.His fans are polite. in this case u leave them no choice. so DO NOT blame them. U never know what i mean because u are not a part of this fanbase which u find it disgusting. PLS NEVER SAY THAT ABOUT THE FANBASE. Archies/Archangels if u are reading this.. just ignore the writers.. they are not worth to tolerate with if they never want to listen to what others have to say instead of just thinking bad about others then i advice all of u to just enjoy Christmas From The Heart because we all know that David Archuleta is an AMAZING singer. :)

p.s LOL i use Kanye West because i read the Kanye West wannabe ‘s comment and was disguste and i wanna annoy him/her. i’m pretty sure that’s either Ann or Cailley or some other students who support them. eeeek!. so.. YO Kanye Wannabe!! whoever u are… Taylor Swift deserves the award more tha Beyonce does!! :D U EAT THAT! LOL!!

Wow. Ok, so I tried to read all of the comments for this one (I didn’t even bother with the comments from the last post- I can’t read that much hate and bad grammar in one day, though I don’t think this was much better). I think I read around 35. These people are insane. To the crazy Archuleta fans that are replying: What part of any of this makes you think that your David would be proud to have any of you as fans? Honestly? What part of the vicious attack-commenting is “what he stands for”? Good Lord, people. It was a review. How did you all find this site, anyway and in such large, angry, swarming numbers? And seriously, why are you all “Anonymous”? Stand up for what you’re saying.

To the staff: Oh well, at least you’ve had a ton of traffic from it, I hope. On a final note Ms. Hammel, thank you for standing up for your writer. Good luck in the future, and even though I don’t go to UofW-M, I’ll be reading your music reviews. At least you’re honest. And funny. And not full of crazy fangirls. Thanks! :)

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“OH dear”… “I’m just amazed” … “I’m just appalled at the comments.” …”How can a fanbase be so immature.” blah blah blah!!!! There are always quite a few bad seeds in any group of people everyone. I can’t believe some of you telling Archuleta fans to keep quiet. What did you think they would do in response to this? Try criticizing the Jonas Brothers and see what happens!!! It’d would be no different and a whole lot worse let me tell you.

It’s been very puzzling to me as to what exactly is going on here. This is totally unlike anything I have ever seen on the part of David Archuleta fans, who are normally very respectful of others opinions, even if they don’t agree with them. Now, hearing that VFTW is involved in the situation, it all becomes very clear to me. I’ve seen comments just like the ones I see here at VFTW. It’s very clear that they are manipulating the situation for their own purposes, which are always to make David Archuleta and his fans look as bad as they possibly can. I hope David Archuleta’s true fans will realize this situation is being manipulated by VFTW and not contribute to it any further.

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it seems obvious to me that the reviewer intentionally said bad things about david knowing full well his fans would flip out as a way to bring publicity to their stupid little newspaper and it worked!

Cailley, as a student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison…

…you make me proud :) All of these crazy asses are clearly not students, because trust me, guys, almost everyone on campus is seeing this as something that’s just bringing our University publicity. We’re watching it blow up and LOVING IT. So, really, continue, because this is actually incredibly entertaining. Just so you know, at the Badger Herald, they are literally laughing at your attempts to get Cailley fired, and the editor-in-chief himself thinks this situation is hilarious.

So continue. Because we could all use a good laugh.

So what we’ve learnt from this whole affair is that anyone who likes David Archuleta, whoever that is, is mentally retarded.

Good to know.

Wow, what a professional writer you are. I don’t know if by writing this “open letter” would get you far in your career. You talk about ethics and responding politely, well have you re-read your “open letter”? Guess not. Proof-reading is one important journalistic responsibility you may have missed, miss hammel, and I don’t even give a damn if that’s your real name or not. And yeah, you got BOMBARDED with 300 comments on your post because we know you are expecting it. Maybe your music reviewer is tone-deaf, or maybe you are too. My suggestion? Cut the reviews section out of your paper. What other force other than your little University paper do you have? You don’t even know if one of the commenters are in the Journalism profession so don’t you give a lecture about journalism cause you sure are not the best at it. I bet you won’t even read this entire comment, but if you do, I dare you to respond back and again until you feel sorry for even letting Ms. Rivall review David Archuleta’s Christmas CD. You have already been made as a very poor example of how to respond to readers. You chose to deal with a very powerful force— the Archuleta fans. You DO NOT piss us off, because we fire back and we fire back hard. In the course of your career, if you do somehow still have a career after the faulty response you have just written, look back at how unprofessional you have been in writing this. Listen to David Archuleta’s Christmas CD and eat you dirty words.

Wow, what a professional writer you are. I don’t know if by writing this “open letter” would get you far in your career. You talk about ethics and responding politely, well have you re-read your “open letter”? Guess not. Proof-reading is one important journalistic responsibility you may have missed, miss hammel, and I don’t even give a damn if that’s your real name or not. And yeah, you got BOMBARDED with 300 comments on your post because we know you are expecting it. Maybe your music reviewer is tone-deaf, or maybe you are too. My suggestion? Cut the reviews section out of your paper. What other force other than your little University paper do you have? You don’t even know if one of the commenters are in the Journalism profession so don’t you give a lecture about journalism cause you sure are not the best at it. I bet you won’t even read this entire comment, but if you do, I dare you to respond back and again until you feel sorry for even letting Ms. Rivall review David Archuleta’s Christmas CD. You have already been made as a very poor example of how to respond to readers. You chose to deal with a very powerful force— the Archuleta fans. You DO NOT piss us off, because we fire back and we fire back hard. In the course of your career, if you do somehow still have a career after the faulty response you have just written, look back at how unprofessional you have been in writing this. Listen to David Archuleta’s Christmas CD and eat you dirty words.

just a couple of spoiled college brats using someone else’s name to get some attention. if they wrote a blog about Blake Lewis’s second album, no one would care.

Omg. this is blowing up like crazy. I do bet the students in this university is laughing at the comments. I hope this fades away soon. but seriously, this “open letter” is very unprofessional imho.

We can learn from Ms Hammel about How to get online attention 101: 1.Defend a negative David Archuleta review 2.quote some of the most exaggerated comments 3.dare and cuss Archuleta fans

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinion. But what Cailley wrote at the last sentence really provoked and infuriated most of David’s fans. How would you respond to that statement if it was addressed to you? She totally deserved and asked for all the nasty comments and reactions. When I was very young,my dad told me the person who uses the F word is solely because the person is uneducated, lack of vocabulary and can’t express themselves properly. Me and my husband are in our 40s and we spend thousands of dollars flying to Manila just to watch his concert. We stayed at Peninsula Hotel and was told there were other guests like us who came to watch his concert. Yes, David is very good in his singing.

I’m not sure what the reviewer expected. Not everyone is going to agree with her take on things. As much as she has a right to her opinion, others have a right to respond.

If you don’t like it, quit writing.

I hope Cailley Hammel, will just remove this - it just giving a bad name to The University of Wisconsin-Madison.

Attn: Cailley Hammel,

Please remove this and stop claiming that you are an Editor in The BadgerHerald for you are not. Lying is not a good thing so please if you can remove this - your action is well much a aprreciated.

Thank You, Concern Student of UW-MADISON

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I think these comments prove that point pretty emphatically. How ‘normal’ people can log in and spew shit like this is amazing…but I guess not so amazing if you consider the GIFT (see above).

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Happy with being flooded with furious comments are we Ms. Camel? Oh, I mean Hammel. Idk, Camel suits you better LOL I wonder if you are keeping your job in the school paper after all this. If not, OMG that’s so surprisingly unfair! Please quit before your name goes to the major print companies that you may want to apply to after graduation :) peace

To the person who indicated this is tied to VFTW (Vote for the Worst), I’m sure you are dead-on.

Not to say there aren’t plenty of tools out there who support Archuleta, but they (VFTW) definitely feed off this type of stuff.

Interestingly enough, though they claim a hatred of most Idol contestants, they spend a ton of time writing about their antics, which sounds a lot more like a fan site.

I bet the VFTWers are actually on the Idol payroll, trying to stir the pot just to keep folks interested (and angered about their favorite - or whoever VFTW is knocking).

Regardless, the whole thing makes me even more certain that humanity is on a course that will lead us all over the edge.

ann and cailley, you put shame on your university. I bet you just decreased the number of applicants for the next school year. Unclassy journalism, and cussing, puts your credibility as a writer at the bottom. Plus, not backing up your review with real facts is very unprofessional. David Archuleta did not just bang this album from a Yamaha keyboard and we know that you know that. Both of you just wanted to spark some frenzy. a negative one.

READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND LEARN FROM THEM. I was reading just a few and I learned A LOT.

Well, that was just a lesson from life ah? if you insult somebody, the most likely thing to happen is that you will be insulted back. You cannot expect that “right to have opinion, rights on this and on that” is a rule only for you. Of course you can have your oppinion in things but you cannot go around being cinical and despective with others. What if I write that you are a ho-ho-horrible person…. Would you write me back something like…. Yeah, you might be right…. maybe I should stop breathing…… That is what you are asking us Fans of David. You are asking us to be silent and respectful with you after you insulted somebody we love…. Pst, Pst, you cannot do that missy.

BEWARE: THERE ARE A LOT OF CON-ARTIST NOW A DAY PRETENDING TO BE A LEGIT MUSIC JOURNALIST AND EDITOR - DON’T BE CON.

THAT’S WHY ANN RIVALL ARTICLE WAS ALREADY REMOVE. BUT CAILLEY HAMMEL WHO IS CLAIMING SHE IS AN EDITOR OF THE BADGERHERALD IS WHICH SHE IS NOT - THIS BAD APPLE IS REALLY STUBBORN AND WANT TO BE POPULAR IN A NEGATIVE WAY.

THE IRONY ITS GIVING BAD NAME TO THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN.

THIS BAD APPLE NEED TO GO - USING A “FUCKER” NOT ACCEPTABLE IN JOURNALISM. THE REASON SHE IS GETTING A NEGATIVE FEED BACK.

YES, THIS CAILLEY “FUCKER” HAMMEL NEEDS TO GO !

These comments prove that AI fantards are truly delusional and have no ideal what good music is.

Cailley, as a student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison�

�you make me proud :) All of these crazy asses are clearly not students, because trust me, guys, almost everyone on campus is seeing this as something that�s just bringing our University publicity. We�re watching it blow up and LOVING IT. So, really, continue, because this is actually incredibly entertaining. Just so you know, at the Badger Herald, they are literally laughing at your attempts to get Cailley fired, and the editor-in-chief himself thinks this situation is hilarious.

I was willing to give your newspaper the benefit of the doubt. I figured surely not everyone in your program is allowed to go directly against your very own posting rules by calling an entire group of people consisting of all age groups, races, countries, and creed’s “fuckers”. After reading the above statement (if correct) I’m afraid I was wrong. It now appears as if even “the editor-and-chief himself” is perfectly fine with this behavior as long as it brings “publicity” to the paper. Is this really the kind of publicity you want? Personally I didn’t think Cailly needed to be kicked out of your program, but she should have at least been held responsible for her choice of words, deleting the blog would have sufficed. It is now clear that you are only interested in the attention as evidenced by Ann and Cailly’s acceptance of VFTW’s invitation to be on their radio show. What a proud moment lowering your program to this level is sure to be for the University. I am not delusional and realize that blame is to be placed on both sides. But it appears as if your paper is clearly not interested in putting this to rest.

There is no right or wrong when it comes to opinion. But what Cailley wrote at the last sentence really provoked and infuriated most of David’s fans. How would you respond to that statement if it was addressed to you? She totally deserved and asked for all the nasty comments and reactions. When I was very young,my dad told me the person who uses the F word is solely because the person is uneducated, lack of vocabulary and can’t express themselves properly. Me and my husband are in our 40s and we spend thousands of dollars flying to Manila just to watch his concert. We stayed at Peninsula Hotel and was told there were other guests like us who came to watch his concert. Yes, David is very good in his singing.

I just want to take the time out to say that David Archuleta sucks and I think the review of his latest crappy album is excellent. Keep up the good work, Badger Herald!

David’s fans are clearly delusional and retarded as evident by all the comments left here.

david’s Christmas CD is the best Christmas CD of all time! anyone who cannot appreciate the brilliance of david archuleta is a jealous hater with issues!

If I were Ms. Rivall or Ms. Hammel, I would start thinking about a new line of work. Pronto. Indeed, neither of these ladies seems well-suited to the profession of journalism. No, wait. I take that back. Perhaps they are suited to be gossip rag writers, yellow journos, Daily Kos Kooks, Huffington huffers, etc.

I find it hilarious that Ann criticizes David’s spanish on Ave Maria yet it is in latin. she’s criticizing someone’s pronouncation on a language she can’t even recognize….it makes me wonder how she knows he’s pronouncing it wrong. hmmm lol and if you’d do your work before writing, David is half hounduran with the entire maternal side of his family being full or very fluent spanish speakers….I think he might know how to pronounce spanish pretty well. credibility shattered. if you could write with a quarter of the talent David has in music, you wouldn’t be having this problem.

Speak it, Cailley! Can’t wait to hear you on VFTW Radio this Wednesday night!

The review could’ve been nicer, no artist including David should be criticized like that. but I also agree with you, if these were real fans they wouldn’t say rude things like that to someone based on their opinion.

The review could’ve been nicer, no artist including David should be criticized like that. but I also agree with you, if these were real fans they wouldn’t say rude things like that to someone based on their opinion.

Rude AI fantards aside, you too can eat a dick, Cailley. Isn’t that what you wanted to hear with your incendiary response?

I love Cailley Hammel.

the author aka Cailley Hammel should be ashamed herself. she asked what would david archuleta do and yet she said the f word. you are a waste of time.

these girls used david and his fans to get some attention for themselves and their website, that’s all.

these girls used david and his fans to get some attention for themselves and their website, that’s all.

Oh please allow the students to continue reviewing failed AI contestant’s Christmas Albums!

The comment section has to be the best free entertainment I’ve had in weeks!

Delusion on Y’all!! LMAO

Wow, well, all I can say is that my son was planning to apply next year to this University, but after reading all this I plan to assuage him of that intent.

I just listened to David Archuleta’s album Christmas From the Heart for the first time, and it was really hauntingly beautiful. I really loved “What Child Is This”, but all the songs were beautiful, he conveys so much emotion in his singing. He wants peace on earth, good will toward men, and what is so bad about that?
So let’s have a the Christmas spirit early this year, and forget this foolishness, and just celebrate the fact that the world has a beautifully talanted person that is David Archuleta! Not everyone is going to have the ability to appreciate that, so just feel sorry for them and be done with it!

Did you read the letter in today’s Herald “opinion” section from some first year ‘communications’ teacher at a small Georgia college? He is working on a degree at Michigan State…..and get a load of the topic of his dissertation…..”The effects of user demand in video games on mood repair and selective exposure behaviors.” Wow….we have us a real ‘winner’ with this character!

CAILLEY ” FUCKER ” HAMMEL SHOW THIS ARTICLE TO YOUR PARENTS AND LISTEN WHAT THEY WILL SAY AND LET US KNOW.

STOP USING ALIASES - FOR THINGS WON’T CHANGE.

THAT’S WHAT YOU GET BEING STUPID AND TRYING TO ABUSE JOURNALISM YOU ARE NOT EVEN A BONAFIDE JOURNALIST YET AND YOU ALREADY HAVING AN ISSUE.

I agree, David really wants peace on earth, so forget about dumb journalists trying to stir things up. Be at Peace!!!!!

hey, journalism is a practice which takes risks. both of them took a risk, and it was what they thought was right. if nothing else, they learned from it. obviously their CAREERS aren’t over with, every journalist needs an experience like this to become better and more professional at what they do. i liked the review, and anyone who is a true fan would already have bought the album regardless of its reviews, right?

I may strongly disagree with Ms. Rivall’s rating of only 2/5 stars, but everyone IS entitled to an opinion. Ms. Rivall might not have liked it because it isn’t her type of music, despite the fact David is EXTREMELY talented. The Archies who slandered this poor girl for just doing her job doesn’t have a very good head on their shoulders because this could hurt David. Yes, we are known for being very protective and loving, but we can show it in different ways than slandering people who don’t like an album, even though we all do. I do not like what Ms. Rivall said, I do not condone it either, because I think the album was a 4.95/5 stars, ruined by HYAMLC which was horrible. And many, many Archies think it was great, DAVID WAS GREAT, Charice was horrible…she ruined the album. Now that’s my opinion, are you going to slander me because I disagree with your opinion? No, because now you realize the error in your actions. Archies, I love you all, we are one in the same, I have an ArchAngel number! But this was really silly of you all, you don’t have to hurt someone else’s feelings because they said something nasty. Ask yourself: “Would David Like I’m Saying This?” ~ Virginia Archuleta, ArchAngel #512 ~

To Virginia | October 19, 2009 9:21 PM,

Wow Virginia Archuleta, ArchAngel # 513, you’re one hypocrite lady. You are acting like a mother reprimanding those who did say some nasty things to Ms. Rivall that hurt her feelings. Wow, look at yourself, hypocrite of first calibre. You mentioning Charice was horribe, she ruined the album is tantamount to hurting the feeling of Charice herself and her fans. That’s why the world is not a better place is because of people like you who claims to be kind and good and honest and angel # 512, yet you are so cruel and mean. Come on open up your eyes. Next time you know it, you have 2 horns on your head.

Goobersnotch | October 19, 2009 2:27 PM

Hey, I think you’re the master and head of the retards, right. It takes one to know one. Huh!

woot! woot! credits to sass1256!! Archangels FTW!!! woot! woot! duh… just leave those David haters living in their own misery world.. just enjoy the album and David’s tweets!! oh speaking of his tweets! ahhh!! he’s so sweet!! he obliged when a fan asked him to do have a twitter party! He tweeted a lot! LOL LOVE his tweet replies! ignore those David haters. i bet they don’t even watch American Idol. LMAO. poor them.. opps! i tell u what.. ArchAngels dominate the comments here! Cailley never realizes her mistake as well as those who support her and that review. ah! so the review had been taken down? hmm… Ann if u really did take it down i say thank you! i hope u would do a little more research next time before u write a review on an album. IDK why.. seriously.. why do people even hate David? he’s genuine!he’s sweet! he’s nice! he’s funny! i’m not saying he’s the perfect person in the world but he’s a very nice person. and the singing.. wow! he nailed it! :D

Ann.. idk if i can say this.. but i do think u are actually a nice person. it’s just that i don’t know why did u critique David’s Xmas album in such a bad way.. u have to know he worked really hard in making that album for his fans and obviously what u wrote clearly did provoke the fans and u can’t blame them for getting offended! try writing a bad review about the Jo Bros and u’ll see what’s gonna happen next. well i’m sure u know what WILL happen. i believe David would be extremely sad if he know that there’s a bad review about his Xmas album. if u worked hard for something hoping that u’ll get compliments and credits but ended up getting bad reviews.. how would u feel about that? that’s how David would feel.

People need to learn to suck it up, if the album got a bad review, live with it. Stop harassing these people, the review was very well written. Your desire to defend this album is pathetic, just move on, because they aren’t retracting their statement any time soon.

What a review of Ave Maria sang in Spanish?!!!! The horror and shame! Dumb dumb and some of you students of this university are proud of her? Speaks volume of your low IQ, how did you qualify to be in this university?

Qwerty i’m guessing that u are one of the student from that University? well.. a bad written review shows how unprofessional a journalist is in doing her work. have u take a listen to the album yet? if not u shouldn’t be talking.Ann did not do a research and the review is not written straight from what she thinks of the album but her critique on that album only shows how she failed to do her job right.Other reviews had been saying that the album is a good one and yet Ann’s review manipulated everything that is good about the album making it sound like the album isn’t gonna be people’s choice of music. but people prove her wrong because they want to buy that album and the sale is rising. no joke! Bob Dylan’s Xmas album sale is place below David’s. so how can it be that the album is no good according to Ann’s review? this is what David’s fans is not happy about.what Cailley did which was posting “an open letter” to David’s fans is NO professional. She is making things worst. i see someone’s comment saying that if u write a bad review about Blake Lewis’s 2nd album noone would care. well that might not be true.but even if it’s true it just shows that how popular David Archuleta is compare to Blake! isn’t it just sad for a celeb who has no fans to stand up for them? think about it. sometimes u ppl must think b4 u speak. u’m not forcing anyone to like David Archuleta. It’s the way how journalist handle situations and how they can please their readers is what we are talking bout here. PLS! David’s fans are not forcing anyone to join the fanbase or like David! PLS DO NOT EVER MENTION THAT!We are now talking bout the so not true review and how Cailley has been acting.. she’s using the F word! younger fans of david would be reading this open letter or the parents and the respected elderly who are fans of David could be reading this too! what would they think of her? that’s not a good impression for a journalist huh?

Um, the review was never taken down, guys.

Who is David Archuleta?

charice horrible??! that is f*cking insane! who the F are u to lie like that??!

Yeah, wtf? Charice is an extraordinary talent and her and David sound magical together! I love Charice!

THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU GET A FAKE MUSIC JOURNALIST - YOU DON’T EVEN DO YOUR RESEARCH AND SHAME WITH THIS CAILLEY “FUCKER” HAMMEL CLAIMING TO BE AN EDITOR OF THE BADBERHERALD - THIS CON-ARTIST IS JUST HILLARIOUS !

STUPIDITY AND MEDIOCRITY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND FIND OUT ITS NOT THE CASE ANYMORE:

ITS NOW THE DUMB AND THE DUMBER TANDEM !!!

USING THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-MADISON NAME, WOW.

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! - FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!

WHO WOULD BELIEVE IN YOUR REVIEW NOW - CON-ARTIST ON THE RISE !

USING ALIASES - ANONYMOUS,

AVE MARIA IS SPANISH, WHAT? EXCUSE ME, CORRECTION PLEASE ITS LATIN, LATIN.

so the review is still hanging around here??? LOL.. for what? display? LMAO. XD shame shame.. tsk tsk tsk.. lol yea! Ave Maria is not Spanish duh!! it’s Latin! L.A.T.I.N. Ann do your research before u write a review! :D

You have to understand that the American Idol fans are completely nuts. This has happened many times before with the Clay fans, the Taylor fans, and Daughtry fans. In fact, I think the fan wars between Taylor/Daughtry fans is still an ongoing Internet phenomenon. Many writers gave up on writing about some of the aforementioned singers due to the rabidness of their fans. You couldn’t write ONE negative item about them, otherwise there would be thousands of comments that were so outrageous, it was frightening.

It will be wonderful when American Idol is finally canceled, people forget about these has beens, and we never hear about them again.

duh!! just don’t care about the review anymore. we know that David’s Xmas album is a really good one. so don’t care about what Ann wrote about the Xmas album. It’s not worth arguing with them.

You are a genious Ann. That is some of the most painful shit i have ever heard in my life. It sounded like David was recorded while being tea bagged by his creepy father.

POOR HATERS ANN RIVALL AND CAMILLE HAMMEL - NO LIFE !

JUST SAD, POOR THING AND TRAUMATIZED BY THE EXPERIECED WILL

THINKING FOR A CAREER CHANGE.

IT’S TIME TO CLOSE THIS BLOG ITS GETTING BORING.

LATEST NEWS FROM BILLBOARD:

DAVID ARCHULETA CHRISTMAS FROM THE HEART WHICH OPEN #2 FOR HOLIDAY ALBUM.

I had a good laught when I read “As the ArtsEtc. editor…”. Missy, I have found some stuff you wrote, hate to say it, but you can’t be a writer, how could you be an editor? Actually, Ann Rivall’s writing is better than yours. It’s okay to voice your opinions but why would you go on a radio show that calls people “Gaspy” and saying, “Touch Adam Lambert, you will get a disease!”?
David Archuleta & Adam Lambert are somebody, you girls are nobody. It’s tough out there, many college graduates can’t get a job, so stay in school as long as you can! As the ArtsEtc. editor… LOL.

CAMILLE HAMMEL - ITS JUST SAD THIS WON’T MAKE YOU POPULAR AND WELL KNOWN, HONEY.

IT’S NOW TIME TO MOVE ON AND SIGN OFF YOUR BLOG !

   PEOPLE ARE NOW BORED WITH YOU !


        GOOD LUCK ANYWAY, LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES.



               I HOPE YOU'LL HAVE WONDERFUL HOLIDAY ?

This is how professional journalists write now? “Bring it f@#ers”?
Get some counseling, really, you have issues. If anyone should “be ashamed of themselves” it would be you, for sinking to the levels of people who posted before cursing and threatening. Guess you’re no better huh?

Your editor should fire you for how unprofessional and immature you are.

While the original review may have been a bit clumsy, the rabid backlash by the legions of David Archuleta fans is like responding to a shove with a gunshot.

For all the commenters who have called this writer and editor “unprofessional”, you are correct. They are STUDENTS. They are still learning their craft. And based on the rampant abuse of even the most basic rules of the English language in the subsequent comments, these students are still leaps and bounds more qualified to offer a cogent opinion than the vast majority of those who are criticizing them.

It’s a review, people. Reviews are there to present an opinion. You do realize that the word “critic” is related to the word “criticism”, don’t you? If you don’t like the opinion, then you can state your own. But to call for the removal of these students from their positions at the paper, or to suggest that the university as a whole be held responsible is laughable. I know it may be hard to fathom for some of you, but the fact that someone doesn’t like the same singer as you is not cause for termination or censure.

Finally, this review is not meant for you. If any of you know even a fraction of what you seem to think you know about journalism, then you know that the first thing a paper needs to consider is its audience. And the audience of this newspaper is the University of Wisconsin students and staff. It’s written with them in mind. It’s not written for people who make it their business to traipse across the internet and spew their vitriol at anyone and everyone who has committed the cardinal sin of not enjoying David Archuleta’s music. Even this, however, is merely tragicomic compared to the veiled implications by many of you that David is some kind of vessel of God who needs to be liked and appreciated lest you display your contempt for God himself. THAT is offensive.

“Finally, this review is not meant for you. If any of you know even a fraction of what you seem to think you know about journalism, then you know that the first thing a paper needs to consider is its audience. And the audience of this newspaper is the University of Wisconsin students and staff.”

“bring it on, fuckers” is the way they talk in the University of Wisconsin? Enough of your nonsense! When you put stuff like this on internet, you know you’re showing it to everyone not just students and staff from the University of Wisconsin.
33 comments, 55 comments, 87 comments and still going strong…
Apparently she was enjoying it.

“bring it on, fuckers.” Brilliant, Cailley! Haha. This is a million times crazier than the Clay Aiken fanatics.

i thought �bring it on, fuckers� was out of line, then I saw this…

Do you want to be a sex columnist? http://badgerherald.com/blogs/arts/2009/05/15/doyouwanttobea.php

what’s wrong with this school?

Anonymous 8:51AM what a classy article they wrote. I agree this school is trash. Saying f@#@ and attacking readers only shows how immature they are.

Anonymous 12:07PM-so you’re promiscuous. No one cares.

Psycho fans like these are what keeps me from auditioning for American Idol…

Wow, you all got hit by a boatload of teh crazy. Can’t wait until Adam Lambert’s album’s reviewed here!

Ann Rivall must be your cognitively impaired sister that you feel the need to defend.

I just heard about this article and “Archies” I have to say, u’all are off your rockers. Someone writes a review for a school newspaper with a very high ranking journalism program and you attack them. People have their opinions, and some of them are actually intelligent and educated enough to get their opinions in print (I have a feeling none of you will be writing articles for newspapers anytime soon). I’ve been a fan of Idol contestants from the beginning, but the rabid fan stuff such as stalking them at tour buses, following their every move, and throwing underwear on- stage I find truly disturbing. You guys act so offended that the editor used the dreaded f-word (oh my god she said fuck) when the comments you left were ten times as bad. Congratulations, you guys are as bad as the little girls who cried and screamed when David Cook won in the famous youtube video. They were children and it’s understandable. What’s your excuse?

Omg, how do the Archie fans have time to write such long comments? Why don’t you all write an essay defending David? Also, don’t just assume that the university is bad just because you dislike the review!

Wow. 300 or so comments on a college student written review? Why do you Archies take the review so seriously??? Crazy…

And by the way, Cailley and Ann, don’t sway your opinion just because of the comments. You are NOT a “retard” if you dislike David Archuleta. Use other words people! Not all people who dislike David are stupid!