Providing an industry perspective on climate change and energy efficiency, the chief scientist of chemical engineering for the Shell Oil Company told a University of Wisconsin crowd Thursday the company is continuing efforts to become greener.
Chief Scientist Joseph Powell addressed the company’s efforts to compensate for the growing demand for energy, energy supply struggles and the need for reductions in CO2 levels in the atmosphere by attempting to produce cleaner coal, oil and other bio-fuel products.
Powell emphasized there is no “silver bullet” to solve the energy crisis, but reassured the audience the United States is not running out of carbons or oil, saying more than 50 percent of known hydrocarbon resources have not been used.
“People will buy green as long as it is the same price as or cheaper than regular products,” Powell said.
Niels Holck, a fourth-year exchange student from Denmark majoring in electrical engineering, said that he would never consider a career with Shell because he feels that they are lying about being environmentally conscious solely to attract customers and to promote a green image to the public.
“Whenever he came with a solution, it wasn’t the best solution,” Holck said. “It was always just a solution where Shell could make profits. For example, he mentioned hydrogen-powered cars, but they are a very inefficient form of technology. It makes much more sense to use electric cars instead — since they are much more advanced — but Shell can only make money from bio-fuels.”
Powell’s pollution and inefficiency reduction strategies included energy efficiency, CO2 capture and storage, research and development of more efficient technology, development of low CO2 sources of energy like bio-fuels, demand reduction, and responsible energy.
Another point of importance in Powell’s presentation was what he referred to as the “three C’s,” saying energy should be cheap, clean and convenient.
“Basically, I think Powell was full of shit,” Holck said. “For example, he said that Shell wants people to reduce their energy consumption, and I don’t really believe that because Shell makes money off selling energy. Why would they want customers to stop buying products they profit from?”
Although Holck was especially critical of Shell’s plans to become greener, UW freshman Zach Huempfner thought Powell did a good job of balancing the detrimental effects of using oil and coal as energy sources, while promoting the company’s efforts to become more environmentally conscious.
“When he first talked about how he worked for Shell, I thought there would be some bias in the presentation because of the stereotype that oil companies are not accepting the idea of renewable energy sources,” Huempfner said. “I was surprised when he said Shell was taking a proactive approach (in promoting clean energy). I think he showed both sides very well.”
Even though Huempfner did not specifically disagree with Powell, he acknowledged Shell could only become environmentally friendly to a certain extent without switching to a renewable source of energy.
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“�Basically, I think Powell was full of shit,� Holck said. �For example, he said that Shell wants people to reduce their energy consumption, and I don�t really believe that because Shell makes money off selling energy. Why would they want customers to stop buying products they profit from?�”
Yes, so why would they promote such suicidal nonsense as “green” technologies? Partly because they believe that “going green” and making money are compatible, and partly because the government has a noose around their neck.
But as this comment points out, “going green” and energy production are not compatible. For Shell to be truly “green” they would have to promote their own destruction. This is why environmentalists will always see industry as the enemy.
Environmentalism is against capitalism - i.e., it is against production, profit and free-trade. It is against making money by providing services that consumers value. (Notice that even solar, the model “alternative energy,” is being successfully blocked from being built (in the desert, no less!) by environmentalists.)
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“Yes, so why would they promote such suicidal nonsense as �green� technologies? Partly because they believe that �going green� and making money are compatible, and partly because the government has a noose around their neck.”
The technologies they call green are not green at all. Hydrogen, and bio-fuels are extremely inefficient technologies. Pure electric vehicles are far more efficient and advanced than bio-fuels and hydrogen. Hydrogen vehicles have an energy efficiency of at most 25%, 50% is lost in transforming electricity to hydrogen and 50% of the 50% are lost in the conversion the other way. To use biomass for liquid fuels for cars is very inefficient as well. First you have to use an energy intensive conversion process and afterwards you burn the fuels in internal combustion engines. Environmentally seen it makes a lot more sense to replace coal in heat and power production. Powell and Shell promotes bio-fuels as a green technology. Maybe it can be used to reduce dependency on foreign oil, but environmentally seen it is a very bad use of the biomass.
“(Notice that even solar, the model �alternative energy,� is being successfully blocked from being built (in the desert, no less!) by environmentalists.)” I think it is important to distinguish between nature people and environment people. As an environmentalist I think it would great to use the desert for solar power.
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Our anonymous contributor wrote: “Environmentalism is against capitalism - i.e., it is against production, profit and free-trade. It is against making money by providing services that consumers value.”
At best, this is very poor reasoning. And it certainly demonstrates a thourough lack of understanding of the environmentalist mentality.
First of all, environmentalists are not per definition against production. Environmentalists are so named because they concern themself with protecting our environment. It follows then, that environmentalists are opposed to industries and production where the environment is being harmed. This does not mean that they are against production as such. It is true however that many - and especially large-scale - labours and industries seem uncapable or unwilling to adapt to the fact that we need sustainable production. In these cases they meet opposition from environmentalists - not because the just produce stuff - but because they do so in a way that is damaging to the environment.
Secondly, to say that environmentalists are opposed to the principles of profit and free-trade is downright absurd. Environmentalists are not opposed to capitalism or any functions hereof on principle. They will only be opposed to profit and free-trade where these contribute to an unsustainable development and have damaging effects on the environment.
Having clarified this, I want to pick up this very interesting discussion of environmentalism and industrialism.
You could argue that environmentalists are de facto opposed to most global production, profit and free-trade - and you would be right. The implications of this however, is accepting the fact that most production, profit and free-trade is being conducted in ways that are very harmful to the environment.
Historically industries have had to concern themselves with complex economics, logistics, labour management, branding and the likes. Environmental awareness however, is a fairly new idea, and for a lot of industries it is impossible to implement, because they function in ways that inevitably damage the environment.
We now know that we cannot continue to squander resources and damage our planet. Even so, the outdated and environmentally unsafe forms of industry are fighting bitterly to continue their harmful ways in the interest of making money. We see half-hearted attempts at ‘going green’ with hidden agendas of conserving the harmful industries because they are profitable. (An example of this is Shell promoting bio-fueled cars although there are clearly better solutions.) But these inadequate steps will only slow down the necessary development.
Instead we have to realize this: Most historic forms of industry simply cannot change to accomodate our new knowledge and awareness of the environment and how we are damaging it. And if we let it continue, our planet will enevitably be damaged and much less habitable. Instead we need true innovation focused on developing sustainable industry, production, profit and free-trade. This development can only be succesful if we accept that the old ways have to change and that many old forms of industry will have to be completely replaced.
In this respect, environmentalism is infact the most progressive and sustainability-oriented ideology.