BTW: it’s COLLEGE of Engineering, not school

cheers to the union. everyone drinks beers there

I can’t believe you guys didn’t cover the new pope at all.

I don’t wanna cover the pope. Shit, why don’t we just invite him to a couple of frat parties. Better yet, invite him to a sorority party. That’ll get him to soften the Catholic Church’s ban on nuns and priests getting married. Yeah, when he gets a gander at the boobs on those sorority babes, heh-heh…

Not bad, Cullen…not bad.

Ha!! The ones who promote “diversity” spend their entire article bashing people from the East Coast and anyone whose family actually makes a decent living!!

What a hypocrite!!! LOL!!!

Why would they talk about the ex Nazi youth Pope?

What part were you reading buddy?I wouldn’t exactly call this article a bashing of east coasters. If my reading skills are correct it seems more of a glossing over of all campus stereotypes. Don’t be so sensitive coastie.

So now diversity means mixing together cultural stereeotypes Cullen?

Diversity is about getting beyond stereotypes-as much as possible-not promoting them and mixing them together. Thus your analogy makes no sense and you just wasted my time. Thanks. Now off to get my fairtrade soy latte and feel guilty about stepping on ants on the sidewalk.

Give me a fucking break.

The above poster is a moron. By mixing together, stereotypes will go away. By staying in one’s cultural niche, stereotypes will proliferate. Ergo, Cullen’s piece is notable.

Eric, did you by any chane do stand-up comedy? Damn, you look so much like a Stand-up comic I saw in Atlantic City about three years ago. And you do look like the stand-up type, it’s just something about that smirk that says “I like to make people laugh.”

Maybe it’s just my head playing games with me, I dunno.

F”k diversity. There, I said it.

So a variety of different relatively well of white kids who live in different neighborhoods is what passes for diversity at the U now huh?

How does one distinguish between being black or white? Are there set guidelines? Or do you have to have a certain level of skin darkness as measured against a pigment gradient? The more this school becomes obsessed w/ diversity the more racist it becomes—against EVERYONE.

I hate what UW-Madison is becoming. It doesn’t care about diversity of ideas, beliefs, culture, and experiences. The only thing UW-Madison cares about is race—an easily “quantifiable,” yet completely unfair measure of diversity.

Again, “diversity” and mixing is great, but you tend to find that people of the same culture and background tend to like to hang out with those who are similar to them. What are you going to do, force them to mix with other people.

Why doesn’t the university and all of these bullshit diversity groups just let students be. No need for Ivory Tower jammer to tell us what the hell to do with our lives.

“The above poster is a moron. By mixing together, stereotypes will go away. By staying in one’s cultural niche, stereotypes will proliferate. Ergo, Cullen’s piece is notable. “

No actually you are the moron. Diversity is about mixing together PEOPLE not STEREOTYPES you fucking jackass. There will always be people with different interests. Diversity is about getting people from different ethnic and economic backgrounds together under the presumption that they might learn from one another.

It has nothing to do with stereotypes about what a bunch of white kids are interested in.

“I hate what UW-Madison is becoming. It doesn’t care about diversity of ideas, beliefs, culture, and experiences. The only thing UW-Madison cares about is race—an easily “quantifiable,” yet completely unfair measure of diversity.”

Indeed, the push for “diversity” is usually skin deep. Notice the left wants all the racial diversity it can handle, but the moment one of those minorities dares to have a “diverse” political opinion, they’re labeling them “uncle toms” and “traitors to their race”.

“Diversity” is a stupid and pointless buzzword.

Here, here to the above comment. If you’re going to preach diversity, at least practice it.

I dont understand how one applies diversity, say, to admissions. We are supposed to be diverse because that supposedly makes our educational experience better, right? (Does anyone really believe that?. Of course since diversity is both an unquantifiable and unproveable position, its the perfect position to take) But what groups are in the category of “diverse” such that the group members ought to be admitted even though they dont otherwise qualify. Let’s face it, diversity is simply a way to let the unfit into a school they dont really belong in. (Let’s leave aside the issue of how the unfit are carried along by sympathetic teachers so they can graduate, so they then can get into a prestigious post grad school they dont also belong in.). But why is diversity primarily (exclusively?) equated with race? Why not add blind people, short people, fat people, one armed people, blondes, green eyed people, crippled people, mormons, other religious groups etc, as groups that qualify for “diversity” preference treatment? What are in fact those groups that get diversity preference treatment at UW?.Does anyone know?..If diversity turns out to be a preference based on race only, then you have the answer…Diversity is merely another word for racial preferences. Why doesnt someone ask UW to define divesity and tell us who/what groups get such a preference and how much it counts towards admissions?..Might be an interesting answer, dont you think?.

The only diversity we should be concerned with is economic diversity. Regardless of race I don’t find a rainbow of rich kids from the suburbs to be a diverse group. Economic diversity will allow the rural and urban poor a chance to obtain higher education. Of course, the majority of those chosen based on economic factors will be non-white, as minorities disproportionately live in poverty. But the admissions outcome will be relatively fair and race-neutral even if poverty isn’t.

I agree. Diversity in race does not necessarily equal diversity in ideas, beliefs, culture, etc.

It makes me sick that the UW is ashamed to have me (white male, awesome student) as part of the student body enough so that they would superimpose black students into a picture from a football game used in the brochure. The UW doesn’t care about me—all I am is a statistic for the white majority that makes this place “look” undiverse. In reality, UW-Madison, take a look at all the diversity in ideas, beliefs, culture that does exist here and be proud of it for once. Be proud of me!

Lately I’ve been really sorry that I came here. And this bullshit gets worse every year.

Fuck diversity. Humans adapt quite easily. If a person is put in a diverse situation, they’ll do fine. There’s no need to force it upon people at a college.

If anyone has visited NYU or Illi or Berkley, you’ll see the same thing.. Hippies hang out with hippies.. Trendies hang out with Trendies.. Nerds hang out with Nerds.. etc.. Humans are pattern recongnition machines, they associate quickly with common interests. To try to “break this” is just to go against instinct, and quite frankly, I’d rather not spend my life worrying about fighting instincts and trying to rewire how my brain is programmed. Just be civil and nice to people when you see them and all will be good. There’s no need to FORCE yourself to interact with people that you don’t want to.. I mean, if the nerd ends up hanging out with the trendy.. yes, he might find him interesting and vice versa, but after a couple days.. back to associating with who you associate with..

Yeah, poor little white kids. You guys bitching about white man’s burden make me ashamed of my light pigment.

No one is going to force the hippies to hang out with the nerds. The idea is to facilitate hanging out between white nerds and black nerds and city nerds and country nerds and rich nerds and poor nerds for the good of the larger nerd community.

“Yeah, poor little white kids. You guys bitching about white man’s burden make me ashamed of my light pigment.”

Then be ashamed—that’s how we’re supposed to feel, right? You may agree with the university’s policies, and that’s fine. But I’m sorry, I do not believe race-based admissions/racial preferencing is the answer to increasing diversity on campus.

I am going to bitch about my cause, just as the minorities bitch about theirs. I will succeed no matter what obstacle is thrown in my path—and I will do so without receiving preferences or handouts. And I’m damn proud of that.

“Yeah, poor little white kids. You guys bitching about white man’s burden make me ashamed of my light pigment.”

~I would love to meet you in person sometime, just to see what kind of jackass you really are.

“and I will do so without receiving preferences or handouts.”

You got where you are today because of, not in spite of the status quo. If you honestly believe that minorities (and the poor and gays and women and everyone else who is not you) are receiving unfair benefits over white men you are not only incredibly ignorant, you are incredibly arrogant. The reason diversity programs and AA exist is people like you who take the benefit of being the empowered majority for granted. That is, unless you believe that non-whites are disproportionately living in prison and in poverty because there is something inherently wrong with them. If you feel that way, I refer you to the ignorant and arrogant label above.

“bitching about white man’s burden”

Yes, and whites are the one’s receiving preferential treatment left and right. Whites are the ones being admitted based on their skin color. Whites are receiving aid and handouts everytime they turn around. And when someone cries foul, then it’s him or her “bitching about white man’s burden.” Give me a break. In reality it’s minorities bitching about the minority’s burden and how they need preferential treatment to overcome their “place” in society. Get over it! You look like a dumbass trying to say whites are the ones whining when one white student bitches about the system that is fundamentally wrong.

You’re damn right I believe the groups you listed are receiving unfair benefits. And if you want to call me ignorant and arrogant, go right ahead.

I didn’t get to where I am today because I’m white. I got here because I have a good brain and I work my ass of everyday, putting everything I have into my education so that I can succeed. Anyone else, I don’t give a fuck what their skin color, etc. is if they put forth the effort I do day in and day out, they will make it too, without the preferential treatment.

Any minority can go to the same public school I attended, their parents can work at the same factory job my parents do and can have the same grades I do if they desire. I think it’s insulting that you degrade what I’ve done in my life and write it off as happening “because of the status quo.”

I have many, many white friends who will not be college graduates. This big, magical status quo is not going to automatically make them succeed because they are white.

So if diversity and aa aren’t intended to counter individual and institutional racism, because by your line of thought it doesn’t exist, then how was the white man so blessed with virtue and every single other race cursed with tragic flaws that force them into prisons and poverty at such a shockingly disproportionate rate?

In addition, minorities will not automatically succeed as the result of preferential treatment. Try as you may, it is not happening.

Every other race? Actually, a lot of races seem to be doing just fine. What are you talking about?

Ensuring some sort of equality of socio-economic status among the races is NOT the job of government nor is it your job as a liberal.

Yes, minorities are behind today partially because of wrongs of the past. They are also behind today because they have people like you going around telling them they have no shot without AA “because of whitey” and excusing poor behavioral pathologies. As the poster above said, I don’t give a fuck if your grandfather was a slave - if you sell crack in the hood or have 3 illegitimate kids, then you get what you deserve and I’ll be damned if I feel sorry for you. No ghost of a southern slaveowner forced you into that position.

The answer to racism is not more set-asides because we’re never going to come to agreement on when those set-asides have outlived their usefulness. There is now an entire industry and political philosophy dedicated to ensuring they NEVER go away. The end result is government-sponsored benefits based on race, which I assumed we were trying to GET RID OF in the first place.

The answer is to punish - severely - racists and make it culturally unacceptable to be racist to the best of our abilities. Also part of the answer is to stop telling minorities what victims they are and start expecting the same behavior from them as we do whites.

You seem to only want to concede that racism “was” a problem. Racism continues today a full forty some years after black people were allowed equal rights. And of course, some whites will fail no matter what, some non-whites will succeed no matter what, I think we should be working towards equality and fairness. It is my job as a liberal to help others and it is the university’s job as an arm of the govermnet to do the same (if for no other reason than to counter the hundreds of years that government worked very hard to disenfranchise these same people).

How are any minorities supposed to believe in themselves and work towards a goal if:

A. You have white liberals constantly telling them they need AA to make it in this world.

B. They constantly receieve preferential treatment so they never really have to work at the same level as their white counterparts.

C. As the above poster said, you have people constantly telling them what victims they are and how they are so inherently oppressed because of their skin color.

We should be working towards instilling self confidence, and pride in one’s race, rather than feeling ashamed or victim to it. AA is not accomplishing this.

Perfect example right here:

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/rnr/69364145.html

Is this right?

Don’t give me the fucking answer that it used to or still does go the same way for Whites - if you answer that way then you’re just supporting “two wrongs make a right”.

Answer me “yes” or “no” and explain why: Was it right for this woman to be added to the interview pool?

“It is my job as a liberal to help others and it is the university’s job as an arm of the govermnet to do the same (if for no other reason than to counter the hundreds of years that government worked very hard to disenfranchise these same people).”

I’m sure you have a handy quote from the U.S. or Wisconsin Constitution stating it’s the government’s responsibility to ensure socio-economic equality among the races.

Idiot.

It is the government’s job to ensure everyone has a fair shot at making it in this world. Minorities have that shot. AA works to give minorities an unfair shot, and that is wrong.

Is Gay Marriage Wrong? http://www.brentrasmussen.com/archives/2005/04/isgaymarriage.html

Since Christians want to amend the Constitution of the United States for Biblical reasons, why stop with gay marriage? Why not repeal the 13th amendment, and bring back slavery? Slavery is condoned multiple times in the Bible, as these verses (also from Leviticus, written by Moses) clearly indicate:

Leviticus 25:44-46(44) "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. (45) You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. (46) You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

If you find yourself disagreeing with this, you should ask yourself why? If God says slavery is good, then either it is good, or God is wrong. If God says that homosexuality is an “abomination”, then either it is, or God is wrong.

I’m yer worst nightmare - a pro-choice, athiest Republican!

Bwaaa haa hahh haaa

Republicans live in a fact free, greed is good, everyone is out to screw me world. The sad thing is that this is how they think the world SHOULD be. sad…

Don’t bother using logic my fellow liberals. No one reads this comment board except a few conservative trolls who like to make absurd arguments. Most of them are not even students at the UW, but guys that have graduated and are bitter about the shitty boring job they have. They’re miserable and think everyone else should be too. Your time is better spent educating people who might be receptive. These guys are like talking to a wall. Its useless. Their type has always been around since the beginning of civilization.

I just wish we could move Austin to Wisconsin and ship all the conservatives down to Texas. Then we could form two separate countries and we would quickly see whose was better.

Looks like Delay is fucked by the way. Yay for the light side! yay!

I love how it’s just nothing but personal attacks from the liberals. Not one argument for their side that makes a point in a non-personal and logical manner.

I have a question for the liberals. Would you say this country is more or less liberal than it was 100 years ago? Would you say this country is more or less fucked up than it was 100 years ago? The liberal ideology thrives on lack of character, morals, integrity, ethics, and principle. You live in a fantasy world where every should be completely equal and if they arne’t, then rules should be mandated so that they are. Why don’t you start to join reality and look at where you are taking this country with your bullshit rhetoric?

lol.. get off your high horse.. greed is a temptation to all..

I have a question for the liberals. Would you say this country is more or less liberal than it was 100 years ago?

More (in relative terms)

Would you say this country is more or less fucked up than it was 100 years ago?

Less.

Your conclusion assumes your premise. Bad reasoning my friend. Of COURSE, you think things were better 100 years ago, that’s what it means to be conservative, that is its definition.

con

In a 100 yrs, everyone will be part of the regressive party though..

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=regressive

“Most of them are not even students at the UW, but guys that have graduated and are bitter about the shitty boring job they have.”

All I can say is good luck working at Pizza Hut with your liberal arts degree!

“And yes, you are dumb. lol”

Just couldn’t not include the personal attack, could ya? And I know for a fact, that while you may not agree with my politics, I am a hell of a lot smarter than you. And I am willing to be my life on that.

This country is so much more fucked up nowadays. Take a look around! Open your eyes!

Sounds like what a dumb guy would say. lmao.

“I am smarter than you dude”

Give me a fucking break, go back to your job as a paper pusher you sorry little man.

T”his country is so much more fucked up nowadays. Take a look around! Open your eyes!”

Really?

In 1905: Women couldn’t vote, blacks couldn’t vote, no penicillin, massive sickness in the forms of disease and flu, sewage in the streets, no social safety net, no anti child labor laws, etc etc etc.

I guess conservatives now think that those are all good things? Well maybe, if blacks and women couldn’t vote probably more republicans would get voted into office. lol.

I agree, that great strides have been taken. But I cannot agree that we are moving in the right direction when I look at murder rates, depression, breakdown of family, suicide, drug use, school shootings, etc, etc, etc…