Suicide bombings will always be around, as long as the Quran says that if you die fighting the infidels, you will be rewarded with 72 virgins in the afterlife.

Anon 2:45, way to spectacularly miss the point.

“Suicide bombings will always be around, as long as the Quran says that if you die fighting the infidels, you will be rewarded with 72 virgins in the afterlife.”

….because the original hashshashins were suicide bombers. nice, dumbass.

Not responding to the 1983 Beirut bombing was one of the biggest mistakes Reagan ever made. Letting Hezbollah, and it’s sponsor Iran, get away with this attack emboldened our enemies.

PS. Are there ANY fatwas against suicide bombing that kills infidels?

The example you give is not even close to being the first modern suicide bombing, first most before that may have not been documented as such and I would be willing to guess that some took place in eastern-Asia well before then (to bad no one cares about Sri Lanka). Even in the context of the middle east there was a suicided bombing in Iraq in 1980. Your claim tho about it being desperation that dosn’t explain the london and 9/11 attacks, those people where not from “camps”. It might not be a religons problem but it is a cultural problem. YOu should have better compared Japan to modern Islamic countries. Both are/were honor based cultures that put the whole above the individual, we pacified Japan not by improving their way of life but by destroying their will to fight. You have some of the right ideas but are not willing to draw it out and in doing so, making it about quality of life, you undermine your argument and justify the bombing inadvertently.

9:44 - If you would take the time to pull your head out of your ass and do a quick google search for “fatwas against suicide bombing” you would find that scores of different Islamic holy men have issued fatwas against suicide bombing. Included among these men is the Muhammed Sayyid Tantawy, the highest spiritual leader of Sunni Islam, the form practiced by 80% of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims.

Next time, think before you open your dumbass mouth.

Google of “fatwas against suicide bombing” returns exactly three items.

But maybe yer using an Islamic Google that I’m unfamiliar with?

Google of “fatwas against suicide bombing” returns exactly three items.

But maybe yer using an Islamic Google that I’m unfamiliar with?

Besides, the koran says it is a fine idea to lie to the infidel, even recommended.

What if the 72 virgins promised turns out to be seventy-two 30-year-old men who live in their parents’ basements and play World of Warcraft for a living?

Worst reward EVER.

You’re being deliberately obtuse. I didn’t say to google it as a restricted phrase. Since a simple search is obviously beyond your capabilities, I’ll simply give you the link: http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih004/index.htm

The point is that scores of clerics have condemned suicide bombing, including the single most important spiritual leader in all of Islam.

“fatwa-online”

So you ARE using Islamic Google.

I’m sure all the dead people will rest easier knowing that the bombs weren’t offically approved by all the imans.

Way to equivocate. The sensible thing to do here would be to admit that you are wrong, and that many Islamic clerics have indeed condemned suicide bombing. Instead, you sling mud at the fact that it comes from an Islamic website, which does nothing to discredit the veracity of what it reports.

Admit it, the statement you opened this discussion with was incorrect and a product of ignorance.

BTW, it’s not the case that the bombs weren’t officially sanctioned by imams. They were explicitly condemned by imams, which is quite a difference. However, this is all irrelevant to the central fact that you were unmistakably wrong but are too foolish to admit that.

It does seem that more imans encourage violence than condemn it but in any case there’s certainly a lot of violence.

Any fatwas concerning the Arab Muslims rape and murder of the black Muslims in Darfur? But then fatwas might be no more effective than UN resolutions, eh?

Nice to know that a few imans are agin it, OTOH…

…These crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger and Muslims. And ulema [Muslim scholars] have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad [Holy War] is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries.

On that basis, and in compliance with God’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling is to kill the Americans and their allies is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it, in order to liberate the Al Aqsa mosque [Jerusalem] and the Holy Mosque [Mecca]… This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God…

We call on every Muslim who believes in God and wished to be rewarded to comply with God’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.

• OBL

Who are the infidels? As long as one believes that there is one GOD who is the God of all humanity and he is the only GOD and not different people have different Gods, then there are no infidels. Then It is GOD who decides who best received his messages. An Infidel is a pagan and I am not sure Muslims, Christians or Jews are categorized as infidels. I am a Muslim.

nice kaffiyah wasim. nice TAQIYYA too. now, for those of you who don’t know what that is…google, ‘prophet of doom.’ i will not believe muslims until i see at least 1 million of them marching in DC or tehran shouting ‘no terror in our name.’ until then, i’ll look to beslan, algeria, mumbia, afghanistan, mali, darfur, tunisia, libya, sudan, lebanon, israel, nyc, wash dc, pennsylvania, spain, london, netherlands, malaysia, indonesia, and thailand for my evidence. islam has violent beef with EVERY neighbor it has on the planet…including other sects of islam.

It’s hard to believe the level of stupidity which is allowed to pass in contemporary discussions of Islam. For example, some idiot asserts that Islam has “violent beefs” with all its neighbors. Yet Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, has almost no foreign conflict. The border disputes it is engaged in are not related to religion, and besides that have been backed continuously by the US.

As for quoting a fatwa from Osama bin Laden, why should we believe that he is taken more seriously than the chief Shaikh of al-Azhar mosque, who has condemned bin Laden?

Why is it the responsibility of EVERY Muslim in the world to devote their lives to separating themselves from terrorists? Why is it their job to denounce every thing another Muslim does that they don’t agree with?

Should Christians in this country denounce everything a fellow Christian does? Look at the whole Catholic Church molestation thing, were scores of Catholics taking to the street to declare that they didn’t molest children?

Or even more appropriately, should Americans denounce everything bad that other Americans do? Should we denounce our political leaders for leading us to war? Or the Army for the death of Iraqi civilians? Or the CIA for torture? People take to the streets in DC, like 10:40 suggests, yet those people are then called traitors.

“Who are the infidels?”

Any who have not submitted to Allah (the MOON GOD, by the way - NOT the god of Abraham).

You don’t have to be murdered if you believe in one god, unless you are an apostate or a blasphemer - then you must be killed.

You can be a Dhimmi.

Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected people,” are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur’an’s command that they “feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, is part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.

Indonesia, where the Bali nightclub attacks that killed 202 people included a suicide bomber.

They must not have gotten the right fatwa?

An Atheist, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim walk around Vatican City. No problem.

An Atheist, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim walk around Mecca. BIG problem.

Why is that?

“An Atheist, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim walk around Vatican City. No problem.

An Atheist, a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim walk around Mecca. BIG problem.

Why is that?”

For decades, this has been the story:

“British reporters found “the flattened remains of a wheelchair” in the remains of the Jenin refugee camp after Sharon’s spring 2002 offensive. “It had been utterly crushed, ironed flat as if in a cartoon,” they reported: “In the middle of the debris lay a broken white flag.” A crippled Palestinian, Kemal Zughayer, “was shot dead as he tried to wheel himself up the road. The Israeli tanks must have driven over the body, because when [a friend] found it, one leg and both arms were missing, and the face, he said, had been ripped in two.”

Who are the terrorists? The ones fighting so that their loved ones aren’t mercilessly oppressed? Or the ones who use superior technology to mow down the bodies of the innocent?

When African was first being colonized, the European powers would set up their guns and slaughter Africans, armed with nothing in comparison, by the hundreds and thousands. All they had to do was accept European rule and they wouldn’t have to be made into an example, or so the story goes, right?

We supported the Apatheid regime in South Africa until the South Africans finally won their own freedom. Only then, did we remove Nelson Mandela’s freedom movement from our list of terrorists. That was in the 1990’s.

taqiyalope @ 10:53am lied: “scores of different Islamic holy men have issued fatwas against suicide bombing. Included among these men is the Muhammed Sayyid Tantawy [sic].”

Tantawi has issued a number of contradictory statements regarding suicide bombings (or “martyrdom operations” in perverse Muslim parlance). http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA13003

In fact, Tantawi issued de facto support for suicide bombings: “Martyrdom operations carried out against invading troops are permitted by Islamic religious law.”

Muslim imams don’t explicitly “condemn” suicide bombings— because Mohammed’s Mein Kampf (the Qu’ran) permits it.

To fool pie-eyed Leftists, they will agree that murdering “innocents” is forbidden. This, of course, is shorthand for permitting the murder of non-innocents— Jews, assorted infidels, Muslim apostates… just about anyone the Islamo-fascists hate, really.

Next time, do the hard research… rather than using your head for a colonoscopy, then crabwalking across the stage of academia expecting everyone to admire your new hat.

Nice wheelchair story. Here’s another one.

Leon and Marilyn Klinghoffer, a Jewish couple, were celebrating their 36th wedding anniversary in 1985 by taking a cruise aboard the Achille Lauro. On the afternoon of October 8, 1985, four Palestinian militants, who had hijacked the ship, shot Leon Klinghoffer in the forehead and chest while he was sitting in his wheelchair. He was 69 years old.

The big difference is that the Palestinians INTEND to kill innocents, where the Jews try to avoid killing all but the murdering thugs who are murdering their people. The Jew’s so called “oppression” does not include murder while for the Palestinians murder is a first resort.

If the Muslims in the Middle East had no weapons there would be peace.

If the Jews in the Middle East had no weapons the Jews would all be murdered.

PS. Right now this day the Arab Muslims are murdering and raping the black Muslims in Darfur. Elsewhere in Africa the Arab Muslims are still engaged in their ancient pursuit of slavery.

A suicide bombing is really an act of homicide. When Muslims in the West pretend that Islam is against such practices by pointing to the hadith that oppose killing oneself, such as Bukhari (23:446), they are being disingenuous. Muslims in the Arab world, who are less concerned about public relations, celebrate and revere suicide bombers, knowing that martyrdom in battle is glorified by their religion. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/018-suicide-bombing.htm

Muhammad was quite shrewd in making suicide a crime while at the same time painting paradise in the most prolifically decadent terms - an endless orgy of sex, food, and aesthetic comfort. The frustration of the young believer, who is convinced that such eternal gratification lies just on the other side of death, but is forbidden from attaining it directly by his own hand, therefore comes to think of martyrdom as a relief. Frankly, it’s a wonder that suicide bombings aren’t even more common than they are.

Some of the results of the Pew Research Center poll of Muslims in America were startling: 26% of Muslims between the ages of 18 and 29 affirmed that there could be justification in some (unspecified) circumstances for suicide bombing, and five percent of all the Muslims surveyed said that they had a favorable view of Al-Qaeda. Given the Pew Center’s estimate of 2.35 million Muslims in America, and the total of thirteen percent that avowed a belief that suicide bombings could ever be justified, that’s over 300,000 supporters of suicide attacks. And 117,500 supporters of Al-Qaeda.

300,000 U.S. Muslims Back Suicide Bombing http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=20882

To the Jenin jihadist @ 5:00pm: It took months for human rights organizations, even the United Nations, to issue their reports refuting these Palestinian lies. There was NO massacre in Jenin, NO ethnic cleansing, NO intentional destruction of hospitals. There was a bloody battle in which people died on each side.

However, here are some mainstream media photographs of a more recent death cult party in the West Bank town of Jenin that are definitely not faked or staged, as Palestinians murder a “collaborator” in a public square in front of a celebratory crowd— who then take pictures of the murdered man with their mobile phones, propping up his head to get a better angle. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22107ADeathCultPartyinJenin&only

Have you ever seen people more deserving of their own state?

Yes and look at South Africa now, what a spectacular success story.

The highest murder rate in the world.

Over 300,000 deaths from HIV/AIDS every year.

It’s also been nicknamed the ‘rape capital of the world’.

That’s Mandela’s legacy, one of miserable failure.

Secondly, the nonsense stories about Jenin have been debunked numerous times. And I’m also not sure what that’s got to do with infidels being barred from Mecca.

The bomb that ruined Benazir Bhutto’s homecoming was rigged to a baby.

There’ probably a fatwa against that sort of thing somewhere.

Anti-idiotarian @ 2:56pm observed: “That’s Mandela’s legacy, one of miserable failure.”

Indeed. Terrorism did not stop when the ANC/Communist alliance officially ended its terror war. Mandela’s terrorists were given South Africa (lock, stock and barrel) by a spineless De Klerk government— but their slogans “Kill a Boer, kill a Farmer”, and “One Settler, One Bullet” were (and are) still being screamed out, the clenched fist is still raised— old terrorist habits die hard. While the words “peace,” “democracy,” “reconciliation” and “justice” gush out like verbal diarrhea from politicians’ mouths, something totally different is gushing out from countless defenceless, innocent victims : Blood and guts. Now classified under the euphemism “crime,” the terror continues unabated,— if anything, worse than ever before.

Here follow a few graphic images of atrocities committed by Mandela’s so-called “Freedom Fighters” of South Africa. [Warning : The pictures may offend some readers’ sensitivities.] http://home.mweb.co.za/sa/savimbi/imagesterror.htm

“Nice wheelchair story. Here’s another one.”

I’ve heard that wheelchair story before. I don’t condone that either. Did you do the additional research and learn that the hijacking and murder was in retaliation for the bombing of Tunis by the Israeli Air Force, that killed 75 people? I suppose the Israeli Air Force was using special bombs, that don’t wound or kill innocent people then? I suppose that they probably weren’t attacking the base of the PLO, which had been offering a peace treaty at the time, that the U.S. and Israel rejected. Isn’t that odd? I thought the Israelis just wanted peace…

“The big difference is that the Palestinians INTEND to kill innocents, where the Jews try to avoid killing all but the murdering thugs who are murdering their people.”

As for taking special measures to only kill those that are explicitly trying to murder them, do you seriously believe that? Israeli military and political documents make a point to note that as long as they don’t kill an egregious number of civilians, the West won’t pressure them. They go on to state that there should be enough casualties to let the Palestinians know who is in charge. That’s why they have those bulldozers; you need some way to bury all the corpses. Who are the thugs?

The fact is that both sides are complicit in violence. Both sides murder civilians. Both sides use cruel and unethical methods. The only difference is that Israel is on “our side” and is oppressing, while the Palestinians are on “their side” and don’t want to be oppressed.

“To the Jenin jihadist”

Now, now, name calling doesn’t help one’s case. IDF and Palestinian reports on the number of casualties differ, for obvious reasons, one too high and one too low. The U.N. did not conduct a comprehensive investigation because it was barred from the Israelis unless it agreed to terms that were against the U.N. charter. There is evidence and there are reports of indiscriminant fighting, and Israel has a far from stellar record in the past.

“as Palestinians murder a “collaborator” in a public square in front of a celebratory crowd”

Oh, and I suppose Americans wouldn’t stoop to that level? Lynchings were a common occurence in the South until very recently. In fact, Southern racists killed “collaborators” who were trying to register African-Americans to vote, and that was still in my parents’ lifetimes.

“Yes and look at South Africa now, what a spectacular success story.”

Does the fact that there is civil unrest in South Africa mean that our support of racism and Apartheid was appropriate? You seem to be saying so, and so I am not going to concern myself with that anymore.

Is that the best you can all do?

I see the columnist in the photo is wearing his terrorist chic. Once I see that, I don’t need to read any further as taqqiya rules. Muslims are becoming increasingly agitated that us kuffers are learning about the ‘peace’ that comes with submission to islam. If this columnist/clown thinks suicide bombing is verboten in islam, he needs to listen to Walid Shoebat. But he’s an apostate, so the only thing muslims want to hear from him is his screaming as his head is cut off. Nice cult islam is, the mafia ‘religion’ of only being able to leave its ‘faith’ feet first. But of course there’s no compulsion in islam, it’s either join or die. Aint’ free choice wonderful?

“Ain’t free choice wonderful?”

Ain’t ethnocentrism wonderful? I applaud you for trying to mask it with the use of polysyllabic words.

Look!! Look at what the Koran says:

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother… He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.”

Oh wait, that’s Jesus talking about violence and martyrdom. My bad.

Face it, Muslims and Christians and Jews all have a portion of their constituency that is slightly insane. You don’t even have to look hard to find Christians in this country who want to kill .

And if you think that only Muslims can be whipped into a murderous rage… geez… if I had a dollar every time an American wanted “every last camel jockey dead” after 9/11…

“the hijacking and murder was in retaliation for the bombing of Tunis by the Israeli Air Force, that killed 75 people?”

Well aright then! As long as there was a reason for the cold blooded murder of an innocent old man.

PS. For the 75, what was the ratio of blood-thirsty murdering thugs to innocents? Were the innocents the targets? Did the thugs make sure that there were always some innocents around to serve as human shields?

“Oh wait, that’s Jesus talking about violence and martyrdom. My bad.”

No doubt the Christians were rough cutomers back in the day. Thew point is that they left their murdering ways behind for the most part while Muslims keep trying to go back to the past.

To “Well aright then! As long as there was a reason for the cold blooded murder of an innocent old man.”

I think you’re missing the point of that post. He explicitly says that “both sides are complicit in violence”. He also says he doesn’t approve of murder of innocents to achieve one’s goals. As far as I can tell, this is what you believe too.

It seems that the only difference is that his morals system is universal and he is willing to condemn our actions that bring about violence as well. Rather than answering this assertion, you made a petty, sarcastic post.

Anonymous (December 16, 2007 @ 8:16pm):

“Ain’t ethnocentrism wonderful? I applaud you for trying to mask it with the use of polysyllabic words. … And if you think that only Muslims can be whipped into a murderous rage… geez… if I had a dollar every time an American wanted “every last camel jockey dead” after 9/11…”

I love the progressive mindset. So predictable. Let’s see, how many people did Ol’ Moe personally kill, or have killed? How many people did Jesus personally kill, or have killed? The questions are relevant since Mohammedans revere Ol’ Moe as the bestest example of man to mankind for all time; they follow his ‘life’ examples (the Sunnah, plus his teachings, the Hadith, as well as the literal word of Allah, the Koran), including his murderous ones, to this day. As a factual tenet of their ‘faith’. (Enthnocentric? You bet I am!)

Oh, and there’s quite a bit of difference, which is obviously lost on you and your supposed education at an insitution of higher learning, between rage at friggin’ khartoons or a teddy bear named by a child after Ol’ Moe, and rage at a heinous act of mass murder, the largest single act of mass murder in the history of the United States. Greater even than the losses at Pearl Harbor, and look what we as a country did after that atrocity.

Now you can go back to sleep with your head in the sand and your ‘degree’ in hand. Someone else will protect your sorry butt. But save the ‘debate’ until you actually use your little grey cells, not emotional feewings passing as facts.

6:58 has it. only the contortions of liberalism prevents us from diagnosing the real problem and moving forward in a peaceful world. islam and the koran are the problem, but it’s not PC to say so in spite of overflowing evidence. google “prophet of doom” while the terrorists terrorize in the name of islam, the moderates do nothing. i think they’re complicit until i see them march in tehran, dearbornistan, and wash dc against islamic terror. no excuses about jews, no rationalizations about their culture which has given the world exactly nothing for a millennium. the arabs are simply lucky that judeo-christian westerners invented a need for the black goop that poor desert people couldn’t drink or swim in. what shall they do when we invent a new fuel source? bomb us for not including them in the world economy?

Nice religion ya got ther Bub.

Muslim Brides Undergoing Painful Vaginal Surgery to ‘Re-virginize’ for Wedding Nights

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22936277-5006007,00.html

"My father, who is a devout Muslim, would regard it as the ultimate shame. The entire family could be cast out from the friends and society they hold dear, and I honestly believe that one of my fanatically religious cousins or uncles might kill me in revenge, to purge them of my sins. Incredible as it may seem, honour killings are still accepted within our religion.

In 2005, a 14-year-old Iranian boy died after receiving 85 lashes for eating in public during the Muslim holiday of Ramadan.

But there was a reason for this murder!

“his morals system is universal”

Sure it is - “Submit or Die” is his morals system

“our actions that bring about violence”

Talk about yer blame the victim BS!

While I find radical Christian zealots annoying, experience tells me that they are nowhere near as dangerous as radical Muslim zealots. True, there are a few Army of God types who do occasionally murder abortionists and “sodomites” in the name of Christianity, but usually, the worst thing Christian fundamentalists do is spout nutty theories. Telling me that Hurricane Katrina was “God’s punishment” for “sodomy” is a lot less threatening than executing sodomites — to say nothing of thousands of Americans. There is simply no comparison.

“the largest single act of mass murder in the history of the United States”

Only if you are considering mass murder of United States citizens. What was it? 3,000-some? The journal Lancet and a British polling agency, Opinion Research Business, have done the research on the total number killed in Iraq since the start of the war. They came up with a figure of over one million. Not all are directly deaths from the hands of “coalition” troops, but all are indirectly victims of violence that our leaders knew would erupt if we invaded. To suggest that we cannot be blamed for this set of events is to ignore the basic premise of “cause and effect”. If you want, I could go through any of the unprovoked mass murders that America has been involved in, from Guatemala to Indonesia to El Salvador to Vietnam, and we could come up with other staggering calculations of losses of life.

“Greater even than the losses at Pearl Harbor, and look what we as a country did after that atrocity.”

As pointed out above, if every country in the world had an equal ability to retaliate against hostile action, we would have had to rebuild the White House every few years. I also get the feeling that you seem to be promoting the use of war crimes to justify other war crimes, which is simply ridiculous. The dropping of the Atomic bombs on Japan was one of the greatest atrocities of human history, rivaled only by the communist purges and the Holocaust itself.

Another sign of your ethnocentrism is the fact that you denounce the Pearl Harbor attack. The leaders of Japan were merely asserting the right to preemptive attack because they viewed the United States as a threat, the same right we asserted five years ago in Iraq. Morally wrong for them, yet morally appropriate for us? My head is spinning.

“Now you can go back to sleep with your head in the sand and your ‘degree’ in hand. Someone else will protect your sorry butt. But save the ‘debate’ until you actually use your little grey cells, not emotional feewings passing as facts.”

While there are problems with the education system in our country, my degree is the symbolic representation of a lot of hard work that I’ve done throughout my life, both inside and outside the classroom, and any attempt to belittle that effort only reveals your shortcomings as an individual.

I don’t need protection of any sort. Neither Muslims nor North Koreans nor Iranians nor the French have any interest in bombing my corner of Madison, Wisconsin. Unlike you, I won’t succumb to the fervent nationalism and irrational fear that convinced our nation that Afghanistan and Iraq were an immediate threat to our survival.

“In 2005, a 14-year-old Iranian boy died after receiving 85 lashes for eating in public during the Muslim holiday of Ramadan.

But there was a reason for this murder!”

We all know that Islam has inherent flaws. To list any number of them is hardly novel. However, it seems like the poster here is both critical of Islam (for good reason), yet, also uncritical of our own shortcomings. My point will be made by this poster’s quote:

“For the 75, what was the ratio of blood-thirsty murdering thugs to innocents? Were the innocents the targets? Did the thugs make sure that there were always some innocents around to serve as human shields?”

The poster is assuming that “terrorists” have less than desireable intentions, while assuming that Americans are morally superior in only targeting guilty people and eliminating “collateral damage” (referred to as “targetting innocents” when non-Arab lives are lost).

A cursory glance at American involvement in these sorts of operations proves this sentiment wrong. In 1984, Reagan rescinded an executive order which prohibited targetted assassinations by U.S. affiliated groups. Four months later, CIA trained operatives planted a bomb in front of a mosque in Beirut, timed to go off when the worshippers were leaving. There were over 300 casualties.

We were trying to assassinate a man who had carried out an attack on American army personnel. Instead of using snipers, we decided that the certain deaths and wounding of innocents was worth the uncertain assassination.

How can we expect other factions to renounce the use of violence and terror, when we fail to do so ourselves?

“Another sign of your ethnocentrism is the fact that you denounce the Pearl Harbor attack. The leaders of Japan were merely asserting the right to preemptive attack because they viewed the United States as a threat, the same right we asserted five years ago in Iraq.”

What next? Justification of the Rape of Nanking because the inhabitants didn’t submit immediately?

it’s cool. you can tell the socialists and libs by their writings and you can tell when it’s a muslim rant…and they’re on the same side!

shocking.

A shocking sing-along children’s DVD which glorifies suicide bombing is being investigated by anti-terrorist police after being found on sale in one of Britain’s terrorist hotbeds.

The disc - part of an Egyptian-made series - is on sale in West Yorkshire, where three of the July 7 bombers lived, and is aimed at youngsters from the local Muslim community.

Introduced by a cute cartoon chicken, it contains three songs in Arabic which are illustrated with a video story. But any impression of its being an innocent music DVD is immediately dispelled by a song with English subtitles about two children who lose their mother when she blows herself up in a suicide bomb attack.

READ THE WHOLE THING - and then tell me about the “Religion of Peace”(tm)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?inarticleid=503195&inpageid=1770

Anonymous (December 18, 2007 @ 2:29pm): “What next? Justification of the Rape of Nanking because the inhabitants didn’t submit immediately?”

Good question for our resident degree holder, which “is the symbolic representation of a lot of hard work that I’ve done throughout my life, both inside and outside the classroom.” More Chinese were killed during the 4 month Reign of Terror by the Japanese Imperial Army in Nanking, between December, 1937 and March, 1938 (by around 100,000 lives), than were killed by the two atomic bombs the US used to end the war (a US ‘atrocity’ according to our resident History-challenged degree holder). Also, in the cold hard calculus of war, the estimates, estimates mind you, were for over 1 million Japanese civilian casualties were an invasion of the Home Islands to take place. These estimates were based on the recent bloody experience in the Battle of Okinawa, plus the training by the Japanese military of the civilian population in the great art of suicide killing Allied troops (their lives belonged to Allah —er, the Emperor). That 1 million estimate does not include Allied losses, which I have no doubt the so-called seeker of knowledge, inside and outside the classroom, cares one whit, History deficient, to be kind, he/she has shown themselves to be. The fact that Japanese losses from Fat Man and Little Boy were roughly 25% of the estimates for an invasion was a win/win for the Allies and the Japanese.

Disclosure: I am most likely alive today due to the fact that my father did not have to invade Japan in the fall of 1945/spring of 1946. I am one of millions in that situation.

A Muslim calls for change - but does not deny the current reality of Muslim violence.

THE MUSLIM new year has come in with a bang. On the eve of the high holiday of Eid Al-Adha, explosions abound. Outside Beirut a car bomb kills four. A double-blast in Quetta, Pakistan, destroys eight lives. Twin suicide bombings in Iraq’s Diyala Province murder 26, including six women and children. Two bombers in Algiers, one a grandfather, claim over 35 victims.

more stories like thisThis year-end killing spree - whose victims were nearly all Muslim - has again revealed a profound failure to stop violent extremism across the Muslim world. The international community, increasingly numb to a steady tide of slaughter in Muslim lands, has little to say. Muslim leaders offer a ritual disclaimer that the radicals don’t represent Islam - a “religion of peace” - and then retreat into silence.

We have failed to offer a robust response to the brutal wave of human sacrifice. This failure has allowed extremists to garner headlines and define the agenda without meeting an equally passionate response from the moderate center. It is long past time to mount a vigorous campaign against the cult of death and reaffirm a culture of life.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorialopinion/oped/articles/2007/12/20/thespiritofeidaladha/

WHAT? Me worry???

IRI President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Wednesday on Al-Adha Eid Day in Saudi Arabia philosophy of Haj can be defined merely through considering Islam’s aim at establishment of a global government…

He said, “If we would delete the ultimate objective of establishing a global system from the Haj rituals, the remainder would be deeds devoid of a soul.”

“Also, in the cold hard calculus of war, the estimates, estimates mind you, were for over 1 million Japanese civilian casualties were an invasion of the Home Islands to take place.”

Everyone knows that fact. But why drop the bombs on Japanese cities when you could just tell them all to get their favorite pair of binoculars and drop the bombs off the coast? If you know as much about history as you claim you do, you would know that this was in fact an option and the order to drop the bomb on civilian populations was against the wishes of many of the presidents advisors.

Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who has such a callous disregard for the search for knowledge to be adept at “thinking outside the box”. On the other hand, it’s so nice that we have people who can be mentally regimented enough to actually join the armed forces.

” you could just tell them all to get their favorite pair of binoculars and drop the bombs off the coast”

You are an idiot if you think that would work. It would only show that we did not have the will neccesary to win. And then there’s the question of if (BIG if) anybody would be watching who would also do anything toward surrender.

The fundamental message of the Koran is that there is the House of Islam and the House of War, and there can be only truce, never peace, between those. Of course truces can last a long time. Some of the Muslim world has experienced something similar to the Enlightenment in Europe. Much of it has not.

The only way to stop suicide bombers is to ensure that their remains will be larded with bacon, soaked in lard and buried in a pig skin.

“Yet Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, has almost no foreign conflict. The border disputes it is engaged in are not related to religion”

WHAT A WHOPPER!!!

Jakarta, Dec. 20, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The Indonesian Catholic bishops have called public attention to rising Islamic pressure against Christian churches, Vatican Radio reports.

Bishop Martinus Situmorang of Padang, the president of the country’s episcopal conference, is the co-author of a new report on the campaign by Muslim activists to close down Christian churches. The report shows that from 2004 through 2007, 108 churches have been closed because of Islamic pressure.

The report notes that Indonesia’s constitution guarantees freedom of religion, and challenged the government to honor that promise, protecting the Christian minority from Muslim extremists.

Anonymous (December 21, 2007 @ 12:00pm): “But why drop the bombs on Japanese cities when you could just tell them all to get their favorite pair of binoculars and drop the bombs off the coast? If you know as much about history as you claim you do, you would know that this was in fact an option and the order to drop the bomb on civilian populations was against the wishes of many of the presidents advisors.”

Ah, the ol’ ‘if wishes came true’ pseudo-argument. The bombing of Hiroshima didn’t force the Japanese surrender. The bombing of Nagasaki three days later finally did the trick. And this after the fire-bombing of Tokyo and other cities. What makes anyone think dropping atomic bombs off the coast would work if dropping one on Hiroshima didn’t work? Besides, we only created three atomic bombs, and used up one on the Trinity Test. But for you, that’s a minor detail. As is answering the Nanking question I quoted from another poster. But for you, AmeriKKKa will always be in the wrong because, like the scorpion and the frog story, it’s your nature (and alleged education [think about requesting a refund on that, pal]).

Actually, I hope that ALL the weapons employed by Islam will prove to be ineffective, but I am not sanguine, especially about demographics.

Tehran, 21 Dec. (AKI) - Europe will eventually become a Muslim continent, according to a representative of Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei.

“In a dozen years, Europe will be an Islamic continent,” said Rasul Jalilzadeh on Friday as he was speaking to the basiji, a voluntary organisation in the capital Tehran.

"The Islamisation of the European continent is imminent and this step favours the arrival of the Mahdi," he said, referring to the 12th imam of Shiite Islam.

Shiites believe that the Imam Mahdi, who disppeared as an adolescent, will return to bring an end to chaos and bring universal justice.

Rasul Jalilzadeh believes that “the Islamisation of Europe is one of the consequences of the Islamic revolution in Iran” in that “the messages and values that this revolution has transmitted to the Europeans, to convince them “to abandon their current faiths and convert to Shiite Islam.”

December 14 4:36.

“DHIMMI” in my view is a kind law. Kinder than anything that was around at that time. Which proved that Islam was way progressive. You should look at the ” Dhimmi” as the highest and most humane and forgiving law at that time. Considering what the crusaders did in Jerusalem and considering where Europe was at that point, Islam through ” Dhimmi” proved more compassionate than ” biblical” law.

In my opinion, true Islam today would not impose Dhimmi and is not imposing Dhimmi on christians in Iraq or Egypt or on the jews in Iran.

“bring universal justice”

That would be full-on Sharia Law.

Boys start yer beards, girls git yer burkas on!

I don’t steal so I no worried about getting my hand cut off and I’m not gay so I won’t have a wall toppled onto me, but as an a blaspheming apostate I’ll be due for a throat cuttin - OUCH!

“Dhimmi” was only available to “People of the Book” and then only if you had never been a Muslim.

Otherwise it was death or slavery for you. Muslims still keep slaves in Africa.

Check with the black Muslims of Darfur and ask how “humane and forgiving” the Arab Muslims are to them.

More “humane and forgiving” stuff from the Religion of Peace(tm).

Hardline Muslim extremists who believe it is sinful for women to appear beautiful in public have forced many beauticians to move their trade underground.

Sunni and Shiite militants began blowing up salons roughly two years ago. They killed several stylists and bullied others into putting down their scissors and makeup brushes for good, all in an effort to stamp out what they view as the corrupting spread of Western culture.

Besides beauty salons, militants have also targeted liquor stores, barber shops and Christian churches.

“Suicide bombing inherently ineffective, not representative of Islam”

Benazir Bhutto was assassinated today in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Suicide bomb was a diversion that allowed the assassin to shoot her down.

It would seem Wassim’s message is inherently non-persuasive among certain representatives of Islam.

Islamo-fascists just kept trying until they finally succeeded in murdering Benazir Bhutto today.

Ultimately, the will of free people to resist and defeat Islamo-fascism will determine whether suicide bombings are “inherently ineffective”; or just another ugly fact of life alongside millions of jihadists, Islam-inspired to “matyrdom” by murder.

A recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Pakistanis approve of Osama bin Laden. http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/11/poll.pakistanis/index.html

Aspirants to the American presidency should hope to score so highly in the United States. In Pakistan, though, the al-Qaeda emir easily beat out that country's current president, Pervez Musharraf, who polled at 38 percent.

President George Bush, the face of a campaign to bring democracy— or, at least, some form of sharia-lite that might pass for democracy— to the Islamic world, registered nine percent. Nine!

If you want to know what to make of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto’s murder today in Pakistan, ponder that.

There is the Islam of Leftist fantasy. In the fantasy, Bhutto, an attractive, American-educated socialist whose prominent family made common cause with Soviets and whose tenures were rife with corruption, was somehow the second coming of James Madison.

Then there is the real face of Islam we see in Pakistan: an enemy of the United States and the West. The real Pakistan is a breeding ground of Islamic holy war where, for about half the population, the only thing more intolerable than Western democracy is the prospect of a faux democracy led by a woman— indeed, a product of feudal Pakistani privilege and secular Western breeding whose father, President Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, had been branded as an enemy of Islam by influential Muslim clerics in the early 1970s.

The real Pakistan is a place where the intelligence services are salted with Islamic fundamentalists: jihadist sympathizers who, during the 1980s, steered hundreds of millions in U.S. aid for the anti-Soviet mujahideen to the most anti-Western Afghan fighters— warlords like Gilbuddin Hekmatyar whose Arab allies included bin Laden and Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the stalwarts of today’s global jihad against America.

The real Pakistan is a place where the military, ineffective and half-hearted though it is in combating Islamic terror, is the thin line between today's boiling pot and what tomorrow is more likely to be a jihadist nuclear power than a Western-style democracy.

In that real Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto’s murder is not shocking. There, it was a matter of when, not if.

It is the new way of warfare to proclaim that our quarrel is never with the heroic, struggling people of Islam here-or-there. No, we, of course, fight only the regime that oppresses them and frustrates their unquestionable desire for freedom and equality.

Islam just won’t cooperate with this noble narrative.

Whether we get round to admitting it or not, in Pakistan, our quarrel is with the people. Their struggle, literally, is JIHAD. For them, freedom would mean institutionalizing the tyranny of Islamic fundamentalism. They are the same people who, only a few weeks ago, tried to kill Benazir Bhutto on what was to be her triumphant return to prominence— the symbol, however dubious, of democracy’s promise. They are the same people who managed to kill her today. Today, no surfeit of Western media depicting angry lawyers railing about Musharraf— as if he were the problem— can camouflage that fact.

In Pakistan, it is the regime that propounds Western values, such as last year’s reform of oppressive, Sharia-based Hudood laws, which made rape virtually impossible to prosecute— a reform enacted despite furious fundamentalist rioting that was, shall we say, less well covered in the Western press. The regime, unreliable and at times infuriating, is our only friend. It is the only segment of Pakistani society capable of confronting militant Islam— though its vigor for doing so is too often sapped by its own share of jihadist sympathizers.

Yet, we’ve spent two months pining about its suppression of democracy— its instinct not further to empower the millions who hate us.

For the United States, the question is whether we learn nothing from repeated, inescapable lessons that placing democratization at the top of our foreign policy priorities is high-order folly.

The transformation from Islamic society to true democracy is a long-term project. It would take decades if it can happen at all. Meanwhile, our obsessive insistence on popular referenda is aturally strengthening— and legitimizing— the people who are popular: the jihadists. Popular elections have not reformed Hamas in Gaza or Hezbollah in Lebanon. Neither will they reform a place where Osama bin Laden wins popular opinion polls and where the would-be reformers are bombed and shot at until they die.

We don’t have the political will to fight the terrorists’ war on us every place where jihadists work feverishly to kill Americans. And, given the refusal of the richest, most spendthrift government in American history to grow our military to an appropriate war footing, we may not have the resources to do it.

But we should at least stop fooling ourselves. Jihadists are not going to be wished away, rule-of-lawed into submission, or democratized out of existence. If you really want democracy and the rule of law in places like Pakistan, you need to kill the jihadists first. Or they’ll kill you, just like, today, they killed Benazir Bhutto.

“rule-of-lawed into submission,”

WHAT, YOU MEAN WE CAN’T JUST SUE THEM INTO SUBMISSION? Maybe get a retaining order?

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